Angelsjunky

I still believe...
...that the Angels can win a game or two more than last year.
 

I hear your point, but Neto did just fine last year. He wasn't great, but he held his own. Schanuel it is less clear. He didn't play enough last year to really show that he could handle major league pitching, so I'm more open to the possibility that he's best served in the minors for a couple months. But I think his main problem is a bit of confusion about who he is as a hitter. To me, he is a contact and walks guy, yet there's been all this talk about him putting on muscle and trying to hit for more power. That's a quick route to ruining what is already a great skill set. 

I suppose the silver lining is that the AL West sucks: The Angels are 9-13, but only 2 games behind 1st.
But if and when the Angels fall further behind, it might behoove everyone to re-calibrate expectations and just focus on the rebuilding aspect of 2024 - and that includes Washington. Stop worrying about replacing Neto or getting production from any particular player or position. Start thinking about the usable pieces of the 2025 team and beyond. Given that, Neto and Schanuel are just as well served getting reps in Anaheim as they'd be in Salt Lake.
2024 was always a taking stock/rebuilding year. At 4-2 and 6-4 it was hard not to dream of a nice story ala the Rangers from last year. But how realistic was that, really?
So let's hope Washington re-adjusts soon and starts playing Adell more, and doesn't give up on Neto and Schanuel. See if Canning and Sandoval can turn it around. Continue to coax Soriano along. Etc, etc.

I suppose the silver lining is that the AL West sucks: The Angels are 9-13, but only 2 games behind 1st.
But if and when the Angels fall further behind, it might behoove everyone to re-calibrate expectations and just focus on the rebuilding aspect of 2024 - and that includes Washington. Stop worrying about replacing Neto or getting production from any particular player or position. Start thinking about the usable pieces of the 2025 team and beyond. Given that, Neto and Schanuel are just as well served getting reps in Anaheim as they'd be in Salt Lake.
2024 was always a taking stock/rebuilding year. At 4-2 and 6-4 it was hard not to dream of a nice story ala the Rangers from last year. But how realistic was that, really?
So let's hope Washington re-adjusts soon and starts playing Adell more, and doesn't give up on Neto and Schanuel. See if Canning and Sandoval can turn it around. Continue to coax Soriano along. Etc, etc.

Tiers are gay.

Again, we have to take into account context, particularly:
Where in the season ("its early") Where the Angels are at, in terms of contention (not good, but not disastrous...yet) Who would replace him (Daniel? Rosenberg?) Ergo...give him another two or three starts. I've been saying he's toast since last year...I'm not sure if he's recoverable, to be honest, and if he is it is going to take time. But it isn't like he's blocking anyone, at least not until Dana is ready - and that likely won't be until Aug/Sept at the very earliest, if that. 
But if he continues with the suckage, sure, put him in the pen and give Daniel or Rosenberg some starts.

Good input.   I will review and share the thought process and get back to you.  That 7-3 shows they are definitely trending up.   You may be spot on. 

Edgar Quero update: he's hitting .306/.426/.639 in his first 12 games.

I think the case can be made the Perry may be, though that would seem odd for a GM in his walk year. As AJ noted in this thread, he didn’t make any big ticket signings beyond the odd deal for Stephenson. It can be argued that all of the bullpen depth was meant to support the young starters. I agree on Washington, though. He’s over reliant on Hicks and Sano, leaving Adell sitting. If the team is rebuilding then the team should see what they really have with him. Then again, perhaps that’s exactly the approach the FO and Wash agreed upon, hence the seeming lack of a direction or vision.

Think of it this way: He hasn't done any more damage. That's one of the things I like about this year - no more albatross contracts, no more prospects given away. The worst of it is probably Stephenson, but even that might prove somewhat useful next year. And guys like Paris and Adams are still around. If the Angels fall deep into a hole, there's no real loss to releasing Hicks and calling Adams up (for example). And it isn't like Adams (and Paris) can't use more seasoning in AAA.
The real damage, of course, was done in July of last year. That was a debacle that will likely haunt us for year's to come (look at Edgar Quero's numbers this year). I know, hindsight and all, but the end result was still devastating.
And we can give Perry and the Angels credit for getting Soriano back.

If 2024 wasn't primarily about taking stock, why didn't Perry spend more? He signed no major free agents - just a bunch of bench guys and relievers. As you say, they've got some trade fodder and the rest of the guys you mention are cheap filler. They're on the team because the Angels don't have enough minor league depth to fill a major league roster.
I agree that it is a "shitty team with ton of journeymen," but there's also some young talent. And again, who do you want to see playing that isn't playing? We can nitpick details, like giving Hicks playing time over Adell, but I'm guessing that will change eventually.
Or to put it another way, if they accept that they need to take stock and rebuild, what else could they have done? Rebuilding a team takes time; signing and developing young players takes years. The fact that the Angels didn't max out their payroll with (more) dubious free agent contracts is a good thing - it means they've accepted the fact that their approach of the last eight years hasn't worked, and they need to try something else.

I hear your point, but Neto did just fine last year. He wasn't great, but he held his own. Schanuel it is less clear. He didn't play enough last year to really show that he could handle major league pitching, so I'm more open to the possibility that he's best served in the minors for a couple months. But I think his main problem is a bit of confusion about who he is as a hitter. To me, he is a contact and walks guy, yet there's been all this talk about him putting on muscle and trying to hit for more power. That's a quick route to ruining what is already a great skill set. 

Yeah, it is sort of disheartening. For awhile there it looked like they could go up over .500 and shoot for something like 85 wins on the season. Now I'd be surprised if they won 75. The team is a mess. Trout and Ward have been trending down the last week. I'm sure they'll bounce back, but we might also need to accept the likelihood that this version of Trout isn't a full renaissance. The pitching is a mess. Schanuel and Neto look under-cooked. Etc.
But, while it is disheartening, it isn't surprising. Their strongish start was more surprising. This is more what we should have expected.

Think of it this way: He hasn't done any more damage. That's one of the things I like about this year - no more albatross contracts, no more prospects given away. The worst of it is probably Stephenson, but even that might prove somewhat useful next year. And guys like Paris and Adams are still around. If the Angels fall deep into a hole, there's no real loss to releasing Hicks and calling Adams up (for example). And it isn't like Adams (and Paris) can't use more seasoning in AAA.
The real damage, of course, was done in July of last year. That was a debacle that will likely haunt us for year's to come (look at Edgar Quero's numbers this year). I know, hindsight and all, but the end result was still devastating.
And we can give Perry and the Angels credit for getting Soriano back.

Think of it this way: He hasn't done any more damage. That's one of the things I like about this year - no more albatross contracts, no more prospects given away. The worst of it is probably Stephenson, but even that might prove somewhat useful next year. And guys like Paris and Adams are still around. If the Angels fall deep into a hole, there's no real loss to releasing Hicks and calling Adams up (for example). And it isn't like Adams (and Paris) can't use more seasoning in AAA.
The real damage, of course, was done in July of last year. That was a debacle that will likely haunt us for year's to come (look at Edgar Quero's numbers this year). I know, hindsight and all, but the end result was still devastating.
And we can give Perry and the Angels credit for getting Soriano back.

Think of it this way: He hasn't done any more damage. That's one of the things I like about this year - no more albatross contracts, no more prospects given away. The worst of it is probably Stephenson, but even that might prove somewhat useful next year. And guys like Paris and Adams are still around. If the Angels fall deep into a hole, there's no real loss to releasing Hicks and calling Adams up (for example). And it isn't like Adams (and Paris) can't use more seasoning in AAA.
The real damage, of course, was done in July of last year. That was a debacle that will likely haunt us for year's to come (look at Edgar Quero's numbers this year). I know, hindsight and all, but the end result was still devastating.
And we can give Perry and the Angels credit for getting Soriano back.

If 2024 wasn't primarily about taking stock, why didn't Perry spend more? He signed no major free agents - just a bunch of bench guys and relievers. As you say, they've got some trade fodder and the rest of the guys you mention are cheap filler. They're on the team because the Angels don't have enough minor league depth to fill a major league roster.
I agree that it is a "shitty team with ton of journeymen," but there's also some young talent. And again, who do you want to see playing that isn't playing? We can nitpick details, like giving Hicks playing time over Adell, but I'm guessing that will change eventually.
Or to put it another way, if they accept that they need to take stock and rebuild, what else could they have done? Rebuilding a team takes time; signing and developing young players takes years. The fact that the Angels didn't max out their payroll with (more) dubious free agent contracts is a good thing - it means they've accepted the fact that their approach of the last eight years hasn't worked, and they need to try something else.

Yeah, it is sort of disheartening. For awhile there it looked like they could go up over .500 and shoot for something like 85 wins on the season. Now I'd be surprised if they won 75. The team is a mess. Trout and Ward have been trending down the last week. I'm sure they'll bounce back, but we might also need to accept the likelihood that this version of Trout isn't a full renaissance. The pitching is a mess. Schanuel and Neto look under-cooked. Etc.
But, while it is disheartening, it isn't surprising. Their strongish start was more surprising. This is more what we should have expected.

Yeah, it is sort of disheartening. For awhile there it looked like they could go up over .500 and shoot for something like 85 wins on the season. Now I'd be surprised if they won 75. The team is a mess. Trout and Ward have been trending down the last week. I'm sure they'll bounce back, but we might also need to accept the likelihood that this version of Trout isn't a full renaissance. The pitching is a mess. Schanuel and Neto look under-cooked. Etc.
But, while it is disheartening, it isn't surprising. Their strongish start was more surprising. This is more what we should have expected.

You might be right, but I'm not sure 22 games is enough to pull the plug. I think you give it another couple weeks. Also, Schanuel has 7 hits in his last four games, hitting .467. Clearly you're not sending him down right now. If he falls into another abyss, maybe.
Neto looks really lost, but who are you going to replace him with? 

I hear your point, but Neto did just fine last year. He wasn't great, but he held his own. Schanuel it is less clear. He didn't play enough last year to really show that he could handle major league pitching, so I'm more open to the possibility that he's best served in the minors for a couple months. But I think his main problem is a bit of confusion about who he is as a hitter. To me, he is a contact and walks guy, yet there's been all this talk about him putting on muscle and trying to hit for more power. That's a quick route to ruining what is already a great skill set. 

This might be true, but goes against what we've heard - that he was given increased payroll. So my guess is that he was told to spend if the deals and players were right, but don't spend just to spend (like previous years). It may also be that players didn't want to sign with the Angels.
Sure. There are lots of things that savvy GMs do, that Angels GMs don't seem able to do. In that regard, I haven't seen anything about Perry to think he's particularly special or even above average.
I basically agree with this, though think Paris and Adams are even more green than Neto and Schanuel. 

You might be right, but I'm not sure 22 games is enough to pull the plug. I think you give it another couple weeks. Also, Schanuel has 7 hits in his last four games, hitting .467. Clearly you're not sending him down right now. If he falls into another abyss, maybe.
Neto looks really lost, but who are you going to replace him with?