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19 minutes ago, CartiHalos said:

If I were Perry, and we lived in a perfect world:

(Assuming I've got ~60M to spend, using MLBTR Contract Projections and Baseball Trade Values Simulator)

Get Blake Snell for 7 - 200M (31.5M Left)

Taylor Ward to the Red Sox for Kutter Crawford and Yordanny Monegro (Back to ~35M)

Get Robert Stephenson for 4 - 36M (26M Left)

Get Tommy Pham for 1 - 8M (18M Left)

Get Gio Urshela for 2 - 20M (8M Left)

~8M left to round out depth or whatever.

Looks like Urshela is headed to the Mets, but not final yet.

Maybe this has already been discussed, but do we lose a draft pick if we sign Snell?

3 hours ago, Lhalo said:

The reason they have that much money is because they’re a successful organization. 

No, the reason they have a successful organization is because they have wealthy investors, many of which made their fortune in other fields.

1 hour ago, Angels 1961 said:

If halos added Lugo and Wacha like KC did rotation would really be deep. Now not many starters left with every team needing them. 

Yeah, that was a great move by KC!  I would have loved to add those two, I wonder if Perry even tried?

I wonder if Ohtani had come to the Angels and said he would defer $68 Million of a $70 million contract for the next ten years how the Angels organization would have reacted?  Obviously Ohtani was hell bent to go to the Dodgers.  Let's face it, this organization screwed up royally over the past six years even though I think their intentions were good.  We have to change, big time.  At this point, I hope we have great contributions from the entire team, I am tired of focusing on a few star players who take up a lot of salary.  I am somewhat optimistic that Washington can wring out the best in our 40 man team however it ends up.

Defurral

I wonder what they are paying Montgomery, in my mind he isn't worth the minimum.

8 hours ago, Stradling said:

I thought I read that a team can no longer be named after a state but teams that were are grandfathered in.  

I did not know that, it's just hard for me to have to say "Los Angeles" Angels with the latest news.  I guess it does not count that we once had that name for grandfathering it in?

1 minute ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

I have never been a big fan of state names for professional sports teams. The rest of it seems like a good idea - meaning that the Angels won't do it. Moreno will continue to believe that we are just a couple of free agents away from winning it all.

I agree, I don't believe we are two free agents away from winning just as much as the Dodgers signing Ohtani gets them all the way to where they want to go.

In my mind, there will never be a better time to make make sweeping changes to the Angels organization.  Some of the things that pop into my mind are changing the name back to California Angels (just get rid of Los Angeles), changing the uniforms, redesigning the look of the stadium (inside and outside), put emergency emphasis on player development and the associated latest development tools, and hiring the best training staff possible.  With Ohtani gone for life, it's kind of a great time to step back and make calculated changes throughout.  I'm encouraged by the Arizona and Texas models, we can do that in short order.  Baseball is not about only one superstar on a team, if there was ever a total team game this is it.  I don't necessarily want any of the remaining high priced free agents, unless they are committed to this organization plan and are willing to be reasonable in cost.  I want the the overlooked and highly motivated young players.  High priced free agents are generally inefficient.  We have a great start with Washington and his staff for the time period we are currently in that includes important young players.

Tear down the hype in the stadium of individual players especially including the pictures on the stadium front.  I would use photos of team achievement over the years, especially 2002.  There are many great historical team photos as well besides 2002.  We will always have an affinity for the uniforms that were used in our first World Series win, but those could be used for many special occasions during the year, not the everyday ones.  I would incorporate some that had ocean blue and beach sand colors on a theme like the city connects.  I know you guys have some great ideas in your head, I would like to hear them voiced.  There will probably never be a better moment to make sweeping changes than now.   Done correctly, what a great way to bring back some of the excitement following the loss of the the greatest player to play this game to date.  It's time to bury grief and move on folks!

For those of you who want a new owner, I get it.  A lot of the above is what I would hope a new owner would do.  Embrace change, big change.  We have to ditch doing the same ineffective things.

9 hours ago, Stradling said:

I’d be very surprised if Yamamoto isn’t a Dodger 

The competition for Yamamoto is overboard in my opinion.  There is no way that I would chase him if I were the Angels.  Most of the suspected suitors have way more financial resources than us.

I would be more interested in following the Arizona model, don't just court higher priced free agents, but build younger depth and take chances on those who are blocked by a star players.

In Hawaii touring the Arizona wreckage, just kidding!

Dodger?

19 minutes ago, WholeFnShow said:

Okay...now I'm stressed out. What did @Chuck say and delete? Lol. 

He said "he recently passed by the stadium, and their were four cars there, like something was going on." ........(Probably it was Ohtani, his agent, and a couple of others  who stopped to use the restroom, and collect any remaining items from Ohtani's locker before heading to the airport  for an overnight flight to Boston.)

He wants to discuss this further:

Okay, who's going to drive down to the stadium to see what's going on?

Chuck disappeared into the void!  Japanese ambush?  Did his car get bombed without warning?

I don't care, .......but I want him back.

5 hours ago, Chuck said:

If he signs here for 600 million then Arte better be ready to blow past the tax threshold for the next few years to win with Trout/Ohtani and go out there and get Snell or Yamamoto and get some 3B insurance and a couple relievers like Hicks and Stephenson. 

I read somewhere earlier that the Yankees are interested in Hicks, darn!  I think he would be a good fit here.

You guys don't understand, this is a short baseball post.......

Actually I don't think any of the things you guys have been discussing are Arte's biggest problem.  I think he made a mistake by not discussing publicly his decision making.  The man is most likely far smarter than many of you give him credit for.  But he will never get any empathy from the fan base if he doesn't open up more about the decisions he has made, admit some were mistakes he didn't see coming, and does not make a attempt to publicly explain himself.  Public communication isn't his strong suit, never was and never probably will be.   So the void gets filled by many Debbie Downers, and Conspiracy Theorists.  In his earlier days he was much more communicative.  Some of it got misinterpreted, and he seems to have soured on the idea of stepping up now and changing his stance of letting his employees speak for themselves.  Really that's his prerogative, he can do whatever he wants as the owner, just as much as you can do whatever you want with the things that you own.  I would love to hear more directly from him of his beliefs regarding his baseball ownership, what motivates him to keep moving forward with it, and so forth.  Maybe he will write a book someday about it, if and when he moves on, but I kind of doubt it.  About the one biggest upside from a possible new owner would be that he/she might be more communicative about their plans and objectives.

It's rather interesting that when posters on here talk about new owners it immediately turns to "how wealthy is the possible new owner", and will they actually spend unlimited funds from their personal wealth to make it success happen regardless of what what it might mean to them personally.  If they are going to be a team owner, they will all be involved in one way or another just like all the other owners.  It would seem more useful to me is to ask "what can they bring to the table" to achieve success in decision making in baseball.

At this point I think I would prefer an experienced manager like Buck vs. a younger guy who hasn't been an MLB manager before.  I don't think it's a good time to experiment.  If this was a total rebuild I might think differently.  

On 10/3/2023 at 3:19 PM, ScottyH said:

Now I just wish Commissioner Manfred and the other MLB owners can do something to force Arte to sell the team to someone that actually gives a shit.  He is a poor, pathetic owner, who continues to let his fans down. Why I continue to participate as a season ticket holder is beyond me.

First of all, why do the other owners care about how Arte handles his ownership position of the Angels.  He and his team may be inept at making decisions about how to produce winning results on the field, but he isn't doing anything that is against MLB policy, so there is no reason for them to force a sale.  If you would listen to the AngelsWin podcasts, it is rather apparent that Arte cares a great deal about the team and winning, his past decisions may not have been all have been productive but he actually does "give a shit."  I think that's what keeps him going as an owner, he put his heart into it, and he would like to find success at some point, and that is why he doesn't ever want to rebuild from scratch, he feels he is closer than he actually is to winning.

It's too bad you feel inconvenienced.  It's an unforgiving sport, and extremely competitive.  A lot of patience is required.  There is no guarantee that a new owner would do better, and they could make it worse.  Right now, a lot of teams would like to sign Ohtani for various reasons, so I see a surge of press articles about how poorly the Angles are run, and I don't trust the motive behind many of them as it's a way of influencing Ohtani indirectly to sign elsewhere since they can't discuss it with him directly at this point in the offseason.

I've been a fan since 1978, as have many other on here and some even much longer than me.  I don't currently have season tickets, but I was a season seat holder for many years.  I will always be a fan until my death.  It was glorious and completely out of the blue when the 2002 season came to be.  There have been many other disappointing seasons, and the competition is always fierce.  It requires a lot of patience, luck and dedication to make it to the finish line.  But when it happens it's great, and something that you never forget in all its wonderful detail.

Thanks guys for all of the podcasts this year, they were are all interesting and I listened to all of them!  Hope you can continue to do some more this Fall and Winter as interesting news happens on the Angels front.  It could be a wild offseason.