Angels in 2030

15 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

Angels baseball happened.

2030 -- no Arte, new mindset, great farm system and a contending team

4 hours ago, Stradling said:

Since Detmers. 

Detmers was an excellent pick at the time...and looking good now as well.

Maybe you've forgotten: Wilson, Ward, Thaiss.  I think Adams was a huge reach at that spot too.  Adell was probably good value / risk.

I don't recall Newcomb's ranking at draft time, but i recall being happy with the selection.  Then again, i like as much pitching as possible.

On 4/4/2024 at 4:04 PM, Angelsfan1984 said:

Don’t get cute. BPA. 

Unfortunately, that's NOT been the Angels 1st round drafting MO for what seems like a long while now and across multiple GMs.  

On 4/9/2024 at 7:54 PM, samwum said:

I don't appreciate how you have come after me personally multiple times in this thread because I've posted statistically backed things which may be uncomfortable for you. I'm not sure how you got to be a Mod here -- but you should aspire to act a lot more like Chuck.

The dude is an Angels apologist.  He can't handle any negative comment or judgement against the team.  Anyone who does, he has to constantly go after them.  No objectivity.  Weak individual but that's his choice.  

He should have been in the minors.  Bringing him up last year near the end is a whatever -- give him a taste is fine, i guess.  But dude has always needed to be in the minors and further develop as a hitter before moving onto the majors.  Too much forcing things by this FO.  Microwaving BBQ ribs/pork.

Bad team man - bad team

This is not a good team.  Not even an average team.  It'll be a bottom 5-10 of the league result.  You know what -- i'm perfectly good with that.  Signing some expensive FAs would not have mattered.  This team needs to go full youth movement (which they appear to be doing) and rebuild with an aim for contending in 2-3+ years.  Build the scouting (US & Int'l) and development departments.  Sell some vets or guys not in the LT plans at the TDL.  Get some good, high draft picks and international signings.  If that's the plan....i'm pretty happy about it and excited for the LT.  

Now about that Owner -- GHTFO and sell this team ASAP....and then we'll really be in good shape going forward.

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

 

 

IDK if that post is BS or not.  Probably so.  But what's interesting about that game is that Shohei pitched that day and had a shutout going until the 7th inning.  In a tie 0-0 game, he gave up 6 runs in the 7th.  Angels go on to lose 8-1 and this supposed bet was won 

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

Per year salary is more relevant to this discussion than overall contract salary.

It's not really.  It's the total money.  The likelihood a 33 year old Snell will get another $150-190M in free agency in two years is almost zero.  Now was his time (last time) to cash in. 

2 hours ago, eaterfan said:

Yeah. And every year people on here say we're ranked too low and scouts only pay attention to the Yankees and Dodgers prospects... Meanwhile we've produced Trout, Ohtani and no one else of note in 15 years. Maybe the low rankings were right.

Exactly.  Each year this team sucks even with huge performances from Trout & Ohtani.  As the season goes along, the lack of depth is on full display with very little bench and farm system available to get thru the long 162 season.  The lack of producing any stars is obvious.  But even more telling is simply good depth players available and on hand when injuries occur.  You can twist the narrative all you want to make excuses for the Angels and be a homer.  "Gotta support the team!" -- as Puddy would say on Seinfeld.  But we have 10 years of data -- facts are facts.  

Hopefully, one day soon, we can put that behind us and get back to the Stoneman days of true farm system building and player development.  It requires a sea change though.  This organization will linger in apathy/insignificance until then.  

Cuban did just sell a majority of the Mavs.  I thought that was more due to him wanting to spend more time and money in other businesses.  But maybe it was to invest in a baseball team.  I don’t really care who the new owner will eventually be once Arte is gone.  I’d just like Arte gone. 

10 minutes ago, Stradling said:

He doesn’t. That isn’t even the real issue.  My premise is the Angels would have a top 10-15 farm if they weren’t as aggressive with their promotions and the guys I mentioned were still in the minors.  He wants to tell me I am wrong because our farm is 28th right now without those guys.  Also he is just here to be miserable.  

I addressed that.  Look at talent under 25 or 23.  Where do the Angels stand objectively without your Angel glasses on.  I’m open to hearing I’m wrong.  I want to be wrong.  show me a respected person/publication showing we have top 15 young talent (25 under).   

who is out best young guy? Where in the league would our top young guy rank objectively compared to all of baseball under 26 (or even 23 less)?  Objectively. 

Even if I’m right, it doesn’t mean going forward these Angel guys won’t turn out better than hype others or guys starting their young careers off better.   But right now, we are behind.  I’m sorry if being “that guy” (ie the realistic objective guy) bothers you.  Maybe you’d prefer everyone be rah rah angels are the best soccer moms here.  

9 minutes ago, Stradling said:

So you think 15 teams have guys that will be better prospect group than Neto, Schanuel, O’Hoppe, Joyce, Silseth, Rada, Kerry and Dana? Bullshit.  15 teams?  Haha, no way.  I get that you don’t get it, because you want to be “that guy” but that’s fine.  

You’re right.  I should believe you, random AW fan poster, instead of every single non-Angel related baseball expert/publication/etc.   I don’t know what I was thinking.  

25 minutes ago, Stradling said:

As has been said by a few of the smart people on here and now by me, if our farm had Neto, Schanuel, O’Hoppe, Silseth, Joyce along with Rada, Kerry and Dana, the farm ranking would be tough half, maybe top 10.  But since they’ve been promoted the Angels suck at drafting.  

LOL ok bud.  Keep dreaming if you think that would be top 10-15.  Full on homer...but i get it, it's a fan site.  But try staying in reality on occasion.  If you want to look at it different, evaluate teams on 23 or 25 and below talent.  It's not good.  A few solid players, sure.  Stars/elite players -- no way.  Certainly well below par compared to the league.  

Plus, you could play that same game with every team.  They all have guys advancing and/or traded.  

It's hard to imagine a worse farm system than the Angels.  I don't know other teams farm system -- so can't say for sure.  But really, when you get down to the bottom 3-5 teams, it's an argument of whose poo stinks worse.

The good news is turning it around can be done very quickly and has been done many times by teams.  A very good 1-2 drafts and the right trades (when selling) can turn your farm fortunes around VERY quick.  That's where not selling on Ohtani was such a monumental mistake.  That also seems to have impacted some of the drafting -- being more conservative with picks.  I hope the mindset changes starting with this next draft and trades during the season (sellers).  It's time for the Angels FO/ownership to see reality and where they are compared to the league.  

1 hour ago, mmc said:

It's honestly scary that people can watch interview of some guy's former sexual partner and have their brain come to the conclusion that he needs to be signed to their team.  

It's honestly scary how someone can hear the facts involved with the case and yet still side 100% with girl and 100% against Bauer.

What Middle schoolers are still using elmers glue during classes?  Isn't that a kindergarten & an early elementary school thing.  Maybe my kids are just smarter & more advanced than some others lol

wow, Hicks is 34.  I thought he was more like 30-31.  Time flys.

Best thing about his signing is paying him league minimum in 2024....while Yanks pay him $19M.

I'm all for adding both Lorenzo & Clevenger.  Guys who won't cost a crazy long/huge contract -- who could be prime trade assets come the TDL to help build for the future.

11 hours ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Honestly, they could put bellinger and Martinez in the lineup and it would be legit. I’d be ok if they went light on the rotation and let the kids deal.

rendon/drury

 

I read this initially as "rendon/injury" -- The mind is quite powerful. 

2 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Sure, why not.  He's been awful in Winter Ball, but as a minor league deal, it's obviously worth a shot.

Is a OPS+ of 2 good?  Asking for a friend   Yikes that's a bad 2022 year.

Move to AAA

I like this move.  Let's be honest, we're not swimming in the ocean...we're in the kiddies pool.  There is only so much Min can do right now.  It's a very risky move -- both a RP and his limited recent turnaround success.  But that's the option in the kid pool.  It's better than some $250-300M risk.  If he goes bad, ok it's not a killer.  If he is the real deal, fantastic -- you have him for three years.  Which means could also trade him eventually down the road for a big return as a seller.  Min needs to take these types of risks...smaller, but potentially big returns.