BTH

Gonna be fascinating to see Wash’s post-game presser, if Bally shows it.

Interested to hear how he answers the Suarez question.

Arte feeds off delusion like yours.

4 minutes ago, Ariamus said:

I was really hoping that Wash took one of those "guns" they use to euthanize cattle out to the mound with him when he went to hook Suarez.

“Go to the clubhouse, pack your bag, and leave the stadium”

If Jose Suarez isn’t DFAd after the game, Arte should fire Perry.

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

Well, if he grew up an Angels fan then he knows the organization and that means he will pitch for the Yankees or Boston, maybe even the Braves but he will steer clear of Anaheim. 

Perhaps.

But the team was good when he grew up watching them.

He was 8 in 2002.

Players who watched the Angels as a kid within the last decade are the ones who’ll be more likely to steer clear.

1 hour ago, jsnpritchett said:

He's hitting .115/.217/.154 with 27 K in 61 PA.  He's been flat-out terrible every year since they drafted him.  He didn't really deserve to be in AAA based on his performance.  I'm guessing they just sent him there to see what would happen.  If he doesn't turn it around at Inland Empire, I imagine he'll be out of the system before the end of the year.

He probably got sent there because Evan White (plus others) were hurt and they needed a body.

I agree; the IE stint seems like a last chance to get things together or you’re gone.

Never seen a demotion this bad before:

And there’s the answer for why Drury or Thaiss didn’t hit for Adrianza, as they wouldn’t have anyone to play 2B if they went to extras (since Rengifo pinch hit for Neto)

Thank you, Jeff.

Mods can close this thread now if they wish.

12 hours ago, Ochocinco! said:

Why tf do people here think Burnes would sign with the Angels?

Because he grew up an Angels fan and the Angels have the ability to offer him the most money.

3 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

He could, but then you're really going to tell Adell to stand still on top of the bag and wait? I'm not saying he shouldn't have, only that I suspect Wash isnt the type who's going to tell a young player to take a play off. This added consideration also decreases the perceived value of the bunt, imo.

Reasonable and well-thought analysis.

Thank you.

Just now, samwum said:

Well obviously. Is that up for debate? I think the only question is if you want to pinch hit during an 0-1 count. 

That part seems to be up for debate.

I say yes, but some others on here said no.

18 minutes ago, samwum said:

One side with numbers from 2010-2015 which said they were right. One side with numbers from like 1940 to present which said they were right. Everyone was wrong, Ehire Adrianza is an automatic out and none of the probabilities would have mattered. 

Which is why Drury or Thaiss should’ve hit for Adrianza in that spot.

18 minutes ago, Stradling said:

At the cost of Adell, it’s impossible to understand. 

Again, I admit I was wrong about the Adell thing.

His offense has been great lately.

At the time, in my opinion, Rengifo’s defense was unplayable and something had to be done.

34 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I suspect Washington does not really want to bunt. Most managers are generally against bunting these days anyway. Once Adell steals third it decreased the perceived value of the bunt, as the results of the play will hinge on Adell's baserunning ability and thus Washington took it off.

I’m not sure the results hinge on Adell’s baserunning since he could just stay put at third.

Maybe it is an issue of perceived value though.

14 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

Anytime you can get a 34 year old 80 OPS+ bat with a 0.6 WAR in 600+ games, you have to consider.

You have to consider it when the GM builds no depth, Drury was hurt, and your second basemen was making at least one misplay every game that was costing them runs.

27 minutes ago, Stradling said:

My favorite part of him wanting Ehire promoted to the bigs was to release Adell to do so. And he gets upset when we have differing opinions when that’s an opinion he had. 

I wanted him promoted while Drury was hurt so that they wouldn’t have to keep sticking Rengifo out there while he made at least one misplay a game.

Is it that hard for you to understand?

38 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I agree:

 

Good to know that your reading comprehension is non-existent.

He’s not good, but because of the Angels poor depth and Rengifo’s defensive struggles, Adrianza would’ve been an upgrade defensively at second base.

We saw Rengifo make 5 misplays the last week.

(and, btw, I’ll admit I was wrong about Adell. He’s carrying his worth offensively, even though his baserunning has been awful)

7 minutes ago, samwum said:

I love reading these and not being on a side. If anyone wants to talk about how Adrianza shouldn't be on the roster or on the field in the first place, feel free to tap me in WWE style.

You’re right, he shouldn’t be on the roster or on the field in the first place.

But he is because Perry built no depth.

Unfortunately, he probably is the 13th best, healthy position player in the Angels organization right now due to that lack of depth.

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Because a better outcome became more available. It simply didn’t work. 

We’re not getting anywhere, obviously.

But the runner moving to 3B doesn’t create a better outcome that became more available, since they originally wanted to get the tying run at 1B into scoring position, and that player was still at 1B.

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

No shit.  Your personality wants THE answer and when offered an answer you fall back on your opinion which is you are owed THE answer. 

Yeah, I’d prefer THE answer if possible.

I know I’m not always gonna get it, but I’m gonna ask.

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

No, it's not the same, it's diminishing a return. Trading two bases for one out is not the same as one for one. 

The input (giving up an out) and the output (runners at second and third with 1 out) are the same.

So if your goal was having second and third with 1 out, who cares about “diminishing returns?”

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

 

I gave you AN explanation which is what you asked for.  I don’t have Washington’s explanation because it doesn’t matter. 

It does matter because he’s the one who made the decision and knows what went into it, unlike you.

I wanted to hear any possible explanations from others because I couldn’t determine why he made those moves.

Thanks for contributing a possible explanation, but that doesn’t mean your explanation is accurate.

15 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Andriazi didn't fuck up, he played his role. 

Washington didn't fuck up, he played with what he thought would maximize his resources and leave him something to use if the gamecwent extras. 

Trout fucked up, the Angels lost. 

Adrianza and Trout both made outs, so their contributions were the same.

Yet, you say he “played his role” by striking out.

12 minutes ago, Blarg said:

You guys are not right. That is the real point. BTH decided that leaving a left handed hitter Andriazi to face a right handed pitcher was a mistake and refuses to believe Drury wasn't available, he isn't tonight. Rengifo was going to replace Neto so you are out of infielders. 

Simple left vs. right matchups are thrown out the window when you’re talking about a guy with a lifetime 80 wRC+

Wash said in his post game interview that Drury was available. My OP was way before tonight’s lineup came out with no Drury. And, btw, we don’t know Drury’s status because (as Jeff said), they didn’t ask Wash that pre-game.

14 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Him going ape shit over Andriazi not squaring to bunt after Adell's stolen base is more nonsense. There is no compelling reason to sacrifice to move only one runner which would have been the probable outcome. 

The reason for sacrificing one runner over is the same reason for sacrificing two runners over: to get the winning run into scoring position.

Seeing that replay of Trout’s last leadoff HR reminds me that Texas’ old stadium was way, way better than their current stadium.

Too bad they couldn’t just put a roof over the old stadium.