Rally Gorilla

Maybe.   Where do you stand regarding commercial paper towels?

I did answer the question in an edit.    And I'm still loving the commercial paper towels!   Can get 'em delivered anytime from Amazon, often next day.      They make me happy.

Like you said yourself, salaries are pretty much the same for big market teams.   So that leaves the stadium purchase.   Even if he had paid up front for the stadium and land...he would have increased his equity by more than he paid.    Not exactly a sound argument for pleading hardship.   BTW...This LA Times article from May 12th makes it seem like Arte are the city are renegotiating things and that Arte will be on the hook for paying $30M this season.      https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-05-12/angels-anaheim-stadium-sale-arte-moreno-deal-city-council   Not exactly a huge amount for a team worth nearly $2 Billion.
Which is why I said that, if he is cash poor at the moment, his $2B in equity will make a low interest loan very easy to obtain.
I had heard from a few places  it was agreed that Arte would pay cash up front.   Turns out it is payments over time...beginning with $30M by Oct 2020.   Perhaps some people referred to it as a cash deal because Arte won't be seeking third party financing?  Perhaps I imagined the whole thing?  Don't know.
Even if he had paid in full up front....the city gave him an amazing deal.   Arte's net worth goes up from that deal, not down.   Not really a hardship.  That was my point.
Oh come on.   Ok, he gave Trouty $20M of a $400M contract up front.   Like you say, it doesn't matter.
I wasn't really all that busy.  I just didn't agree with you and I said why.   Is that ok?    I'm already afraid to post about buying commercial paper towels because Lou disapproves
I would guess that all teams will lose big bucks on TV revenue.   Bigger markets have bigger contracts, so they lose more.   But that doesn't convince me that smaller market teams wont suffer more.     The big market teams near the payroll tax threshold will also save more in salaries than smaller market teams.
I do believe Arte excels at peeing on legs and telling people it is raining.   So, no doubt, he'll be spewing along with the best of them.

Maybe.   Where do you stand regarding commercial paper towels?

Are you sure you're disagreeing with me?   I mean yes I fully believe he's committed more in the last 18 months than other owners and that he'll point to that but I'm not trying to validate him.
I think you're under the impression I'm making excuses for Arte, I'm not.  What I am saying is that when it's Arte's turn to cry poor he's going to talk up the stadium and his recent investments in players.    Not sure if you've seen my other posts on this but, I'm the guy arguing the players can't trust the owners given their history of turning profits into losses.
Like I said... Are you sure you're disagreeing with me?  
Take it easy...

That didn't answer the question.
Also, I didn't get mad at you, I merely suggested a smarter alternative.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but it's pretty obvious he's opened up his wallet more than just about any owner in MLB in the previous 18 months...  To argue otherwise is foolish.  
1 -- the team's value isn't realized until it's is sold or borrowed against.  He's still going to have to come out of pocket or add debt in the deal with Anaheim.   More importantly -- every owner in MLB has seen their values rise.

2 -  I missed where the city of Anaheim signed over the deed and said it's yours.   There have been a wide range of values depending on whether or not the stadium was demolished but again first he would have to PAY for the land, then he would have to sell it (or borrow against it) to realize it's value.      

3 -- So, would having paid cash as you claim (he hasn't yet BTW), then mean he's out more money than owners who didn't spend the off-season buying land and a stadium -- because that was my point. 

4 -- Trout actually did get an upfront payment of 20 mil https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/al-west/la-angels/   Doesn't matter really...  Player salaries would actually be the weakest argument Arte could make because every team has them.   
Lastly.... while you were busy dismissing all the reasons why Arte couldnt make a "convincing" argument for being hit harder than most did you consider that given the Angels have a top 3-5 TV deal the would theoretically be one of the teams hardest hit by the lack of baseball games?   I mean, those are the sorts of revenue streams that Manfred was yapping about when he talked about the owners "losing money".
I'm not in Arte's camp on this -- the owners have been turning massive profits for years -- but when they line up to lie about their costs and all they money they are losing, Arte's going to have a bigger line of BS to spew than most.

I don't think there is a convincing argument to be made that Arte is being hit hardest by the timing of all of this.
1)  Arte paid $184M for the team in 2003.   It is now valued at close to $2Billion.      https://www.statista.com/statistics/194619/mlb-franchise-value-of-the-los-angeles-angels-of-anaheim-since-2006/
2)  To keep Arte from moving to another city, Anaheim just let him buy the Big A and 153 acres of surrounding city land for $325M.     The land itself is valued at over $300M.    https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/angels-arte-moreno-stadium-anaheim-deal
3)  Arte and Co. paid CASH for the stadium and land.    If that made him cash poor, then it should be pretty easy to borrow (at today's extremely low interest rates) when you have $2B in equity.
4)  The Rendon and Trout contracts weren't a huge one-time cash hit for him....they are paid over time.   And, if I understand it correctly, players will not  be getting their full salaries this season anyway.  
 
 

I can't speak for everyone who doesn't like the DH....but, I'm pretty ok with night games.   Some of my best memories are of low scoring extra inning games that go very late.   
I wonder if those who favor a DH are just stimulation junkies that wouldn't know what to do with themselves if they had to just hang out and talk with friends while a pitcher warmed up.   The same type that needs the game to go quickly so they can get home to their video games.   

I can't speak for everyone who doesn't like the DH....but, I'm pretty ok with night games.   Some of my best memories are of low scoring extra inning games that go very late.   
I wonder if those who favor a DH are just stimulation junkies that wouldn't know what to do with themselves if they had to just hang out and talk with friends while a pitcher warmed up.   The same type that needs the game to go quickly so they can get home to their video games.   

I've never liked the DH.   To me, baseball isn't about constant stimulation and rushing to get the game over as soon as possible.     So, I'm ok with pitching changes, watching a pitcher strike out,  low scoring games, extra innings,  etc.   

I've never liked the DH.   To me, baseball isn't about constant stimulation and rushing to get the game over as soon as possible.     So, I'm ok with pitching changes, watching a pitcher strike out,  low scoring games, extra innings,  etc.   

I'm fond of the Big A and I think everyone will be fine if we just give the old girl another facelift......but now that the Rangers have a new home, our park will be the fourth best in the AL West....and that's only because the A's play in an f'ing dump.    A nice new high tech park with tons of old school style would certainly work for me.     I'd even be in favor of a retractable roof....we could leave it open most of the time and close it for those toasty afternoon games that I find myself avoiding as I get older and the climate gets warmer.

I'm fond of the Big A and I think everyone will be fine if we just give the old girl another facelift......but now that the Rangers have a new home, our park will be the fourth best in the AL West....and that's only because the A's play in an f'ing dump.    A nice new high tech park with tons of old school style would certainly work for me.     I'd even be in favor of a retractable roof....we could leave it open most of the time and close it for those toasty afternoon games that I find myself avoiding as I get older and the climate gets warmer.

Kevin, as Lou said, you aren’t the only one who has these feelings.  Starting about last week, we started seeing emergency responses here in LA that has started to transition from every person thinking they had Covid-19, to people who are have behavioral/mental issues.
 The advice Lou, and others will give is really spot on. I’ve had to tell my wife the same thing....stop binge watching the news, news conferences, and the Internet. Get outside, do what you can to stay positive, and now that the weather is getting better, head out to trails (if you live in an area that the trails are open) or whatever it is you like to do.  It’s really the only remedy for this, until we open this place up.
 

This is the worst the hate has been in my lifetime.   Does no one look at both sides and make thought out decisions anymore, instead of just automatically take the side they are on politically?

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/4/7/21212151/mlb-arizona-bubble-coronavirus-plan
 
This article, though it came out a few days ahead of this particular plan, does a good job of explaining why an idea like this isn’t all that reasonable right now. Basically, hundreds of people (at minimum) go into the production of an MLB game, even without any fans to deal with. So we’d have to lock all of those people (who have families, and real life stuff to deal with, and five figure jobs often) into the same hotel bubble or whatever as the players/coaches, along with hotel staff, etc... The idea that they could reasonably keep Covid out of that situation, or that it would be fair to everyone involved, is a bit of a stretch.

I want to see baseball as much as the next guy, but it might be time to just call it.  Put yourself in the shoes of Mike Trout or any number of guys that would have to leave their families for the next six months.  In Trout's case it would be while his wife is pregnant.  Now with this idea of playing basically half and half in Phoenix and Florida, maybe there is a chance the players can rent houses and their families can come stay with them, but then the quarantining would be even more difficult to enforce. 
Also we keep reading about double headers to get in as many games as possible.  How the hell do you do double headers in Arizona in the summer?  Do they only do double headers at Chase Field?  Now picture that scenario, several teams are playing at Chase Field each week, not just the home team (if that even exists in this scenario).  After each team leaves you have to disinfect the entire clubhouse, and all touch point items from where the players enter the stadium down to the field.  Don't get me wrong, it can be done, but once again, more people at risk. 

FYI...My wife has been on a moderated neighborhood area discussion group for some time.  Recently,  a fairly new person started posting all kinds of stuff designed to trigger people about Covid-19 issues, such as bragging about hording protective gear,  driving political wedges, etc.    Apparently, one member of the group has professional knowledge of how overseas troll farms work and he said this is right out of their playbook.   The trolls want to stir up anxiety and create conflict in what would otherwise be a healthy online community.   Of course, they have all kinds of new buttons to push while we're dealing with a pandemic.   

Play the games in Antarctica. I hear there isn’t a virus there and it’s not as hot as Arizona

Toss up between Dexy's Midnight Runners and A-ha, I'd assume

I don't play D & D...but if it brings the group together, keeps the minds active, allows healthy competition, and provides a break from worry...then it's a winner IMHO.   My 20 y.o. has a board game based on the CIV VI video game that he always wants us to play....then he proceeds to completely destroy us.   It is not fun.    I gotta dig out the Monopoly game so the rest of us have a chance.

I don't play D & D...but if it brings the group together, keeps the minds active, allows healthy competition, and provides a break from worry...then it's a winner IMHO.   My 20 y.o. has a board game based on the CIV VI video game that he always wants us to play....then he proceeds to completely destroy us.   It is not fun.    I gotta dig out the Monopoly game so the rest of us have a chance.

I don't play D & D...but if it brings the group together, keeps the minds active, allows healthy competition, and provides a break from worry...then it's a winner IMHO.   My 20 y.o. has a board game based on the CIV VI video game that he always wants us to play....then he proceeds to completely destroy us.   It is not fun.    I gotta dig out the Monopoly game so the rest of us have a chance.