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  1. 3 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

    bWar at time of signing their big contract: Price 30.9- 7/217 million, Sale 30.3- 5/145 million, Max Scherzer 30.8- 7/210 million, Greinke 31.5- 6/147 opted out after 3 years posting a 17.7 bwar during that time and then signed a 6/206.5 millon dollar deal. Verlander 36.4- 7/180. Kershaw has posted a 65.4 bwar and gotten like 300 million. I apologize if my math is off on some of them but you get the picture.

    Cole is at 23.4 so going by that list, he should not command the largest contract ever for a pitcher. His numbers are just not good enough and all those guys were better pitchers going into FA or being extended.

    I have been very vocal about Arte not going for it for all the years he has had Trout and so if this was my money, I would already have been surrounding Trout with the absolute best team I could buy every year since 2012 and this year would be no different. As I have shown pitching wise with bWar on Cole, he simply is not worth the big money all those BETTER pitchers got. I know this market is different and I like Cole but if all those previous pitchers were that much better, why offer him even more than what they got? Doesn't make much sense. Those of you offering him 7/245 are insane. I would max out at 6/180. If he really wants to play out west, he would be getting the same years Verlander did and more money and he is not the pitcher Verlander was with Detroit so there's that too.

    I know a lot of you are absolutely obsessed with Cole but look at those contracts and compare the WAR. Cole is good but not as good as you are making him out to be.

    I don't think WAR is generally regarded as a great measurement for pitcher value. 

    Taking the average of the player's 3 seasons more traditional stats prior to FA says Cole is worth the money his peer's received. 

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    Cole has more then proven he belongs on that list, and his greatest advantage is he is entering the market a year younger than Max and David did. A 7 year deal is much more palatable for a 29 year old than a 30 year old.  

    If it's my money, I am spending $1 million more than the next highest bidder to make Cole a Halo. 

     

  2. And what about his real family? His wife, mother, friends  and relatives? Does this also "blow away" the myth that they were his family because they didn't know Tyler was an addict either? I hate hearing all the blame being placed on the Angels shoulders. If the Angels should have known then his real family should have as well. It is unfair to point the finger at the Angels and say they let this happen, when it is much deeper than that.

  3. 6 hours ago, krAbs said:

    Hasn't he already had a history with injuries, even going into the minors? That's my memory of him, at least - he came from college, but was pushed really hard there; has good stuff, but came into the minors needing surgery or something and missed time almost immediately because of it, kinda leading to questions about whether his arm would hold up in the long term.

    Maybe I'm going crazy? I can't find anything online, but I could have sworn that he missed a substantial amount of time when we first signed him due to arm injuries, and I thought I remembered talk of a possible TJ surgery while he was still in the minors. Hoping I'm just going crazy here...

    He had a stress fracture in his back his freshman year and a pre-draft MRI that showed "potential issues". 

    "Canning was a workhorse for the Bruins, leading the team in innings pitched each of the past two years. His 119 innings this season were a career-high, and he started 17 games. He suffered a stress fracture in his back late during his freshman year, which caused him to miss the postseason when UCLA, the No. 1 overall seed, lost in the regional round".

    https://www.ocregister.com/2017/06/12/mlb-draft-uclas-griffin-canning-goes-47th-overall-to-angels/ 

    "That is what appears to have happened with UCLA right-hander Griffin Canning. Ranked No. 17 on our Draft Top 200 list , Canning is a highly regarded college arm who was looking like a middle of the first round talent because of his extremely consistent season. But word was spreading as the final weekend before the Draft approached that there were some issues with his medical report that were causing teams to pause at the very least.
    According to sources from multiple teams, Canning's MRI returned some potential issues. Such reports are not uncommon and it will be up to each team's medical staff to interpret the results, but as of Friday night, some teams had already decided to pass on Canning, while others are waiting to hear back from their doctors on how to proceed".

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/234660412/2017-draft-buzz-what-callis-mayo-are-hearing/

  4. 14 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

    Eppler’s contract runs out at the end of the season. His decisions at the trade deadline may be part of a plan with his decisions in the off season.

    What’s the fricking holdup? Extend him! 

    Billy has an option in his contract for 2020. I'd be willing to bet he will get an extension soon. 

    https://www.ocregister.com/2019/02/18/angels-owner-arte-moreno-addresses-teams-payroll-stadium-and-gm-billy-eppler/

  5. 15 hours ago, floplag said:

    I'm actually OK with us signing none of them pitching wise or even not doing so again for next season.  Its fun to speculate and such but really, it comes down to priorities.

    If we cant someone put together a good to better than good rotation of of this list, were in deeper shit than any ace would help...
    Ohtani
    Skaggs
    Heaney
    Tropeano
    Canning
    Suarez
    Pena
    Ramirez
    Sandoval
    Barria
    10 legit options for the 20 rotation. And i may still be missing one or two.  Probably no Cy Young winner in the bunch but thats true of most teams. 

    Would a true ace help, of course, so would a true C/3B.  Were going to have to pick our battle there and i see a lot of depth/options for the rotations and few at those offensive spots. 

    Sure, we have a lot of depth at SP. However, many of the pieces in the depth chart have proven time and time again to be unreliable. Heaney, Skaggs most notably.

    This team absolutely can not go into next season hanging its hat on Heaney and Skaggs to lead the rotation, especially with Ohtani on an innings limit returning from TJ, with the expectations of better results than we have seen the last 3-4 years. 

    I believe it is imperative that the Angels make a big play for Gerrit Cole next off season. The time has come to push the chips in the pot. I would also love to see a trade for Marcus Stroman this year. 

    Give me 

    Cole

    Stroman

    Ohtani

    Heaney

    Skaggs

    Canning

    The offense has proven to be capable, even without Ohtani and Upton for most of the season and Cozart and Bour getting at too many at bats. Spend the resources where they are needed, SP. 

     

  6. 1 hour ago, totdprods said:

    I think if we’re in the mix we’ll see Eppler buy too. Might not be a big name - maybe a Tanner Roark-type to shore up the rotation or a vet RP or two for depth. Someone that just costs low-level guys. I don’t think we will see any offensive adds unless something catastrophic happens - and even then, it’s probably time for the AAA bats to shine in that case.

    But I could also see Eppler cashing in on one of Ward/Thaiss, one of Marsh/Jones, and a lower-level arm with some upside for an impact/long-term piece, especially a SP.

    Would you give up one of Thaiss or Ward for two months of Bumgarner? I think on paper, at this moment, it’d be a fair framework to start with, especially if Ward keeps this up. I’m picturing something similar to the Darvish-Calhoun trade.

    I'm not sure I would move either of those two for a Bumgarner rental. However, I can see a bigger package being created for Marcus Stroman who still has 1 more year of Arbitration.

    Stroman could be our horse for the 2nd half of the season for a Playoff push. Then next year, if we can land Gerrit Cole, the rotation would be looking really really nice. 

    Cole, Ohtani, Stroman, Skaggs, Heaney, Canning, makes for a solid 6 man rotation with several guys ready to fill in for injuries and Ohtani, who will certainly be on an innings limit coming back from TJ.  

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