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Very excited for this news and the possibilities. However, should we be concerned about how this could potentially effect the off season?

Will the sale happen quickly enough to where we can have a no restrictions free agency?

Or will this impede Perry from having the type of off season we need?

It took the Mets about a year to sell. The Nats announced their intent to sell this April and its now August. Hope we get resolution sooner than those timelines.

39 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

I think Angels will make a big offer with an opt out  after year 2 or 3. Problem in off season Angels once again will need starting pitching. Young pitchers in minors year or 2 away. Chris Rod and Canning just cannot stay healthy. Arte needs Ohtani more than Ohtani needs Arte. Star power in So. Calif is important. 

When was the last time the Angels gave out a contract theat had opt outs? It doesn't seem to be something they do. I think a 7-8 year deal for 245-260 is the sweet spot. 

I'll say Suarez. His success last year has been over shadowed by Sandoval. If he can contribute at the same level, or even improve, over a full 2022, he would be a huge boon for the team. 

17 minutes ago, Stradling said:

 

If Castellanos does end up with Philly, causing them to be up against the CBT, it is one less likely destination for Story and Correa.

It feels like its down to 4 teams for the two SS. Angels, Astros, Twins, or Cardinals. 

This one really pisses me off. The same song and dance every year. 

8 minutes ago, aznhockeyguy said:

I'm gonna be a Debbie Downer.  There's no way Loup will repeat his performance, he's due for regression.  Bit of an overpay, but he keeps the ball in the yard and gets hitters to hit it to the ground at a good clip.  He also has pretty solid control. 

I don't think anyone expects him to repeat his 2021 performance.

The Braves gave 35 year old Cole Hamels a 1/18m deal in December 2019 which Makes the 1/21m deal for Thor seem like a bargain. 

I like this for the Angels. We haven't signed a FA SP with this much upside before. We are only 2 weeks into Free Agency. Many more moves to come. 

1 hour ago, Trendon said:

Is this lowkey shots fired at Trout/Rendon/the Angels training staff?

 

"That was our motivation, but the guys didn't come back."

We kept on hearing about guys coming back, but they never did. Seems like the players were fed that false hope as well.

I would guess this is a lost in translation quote. Same with his quote about wanting to win. It is probably much more flattering in Japanese than the direct translation to English. 

Earlier this year Maddon left Ohtani in against the White Sox with the bases loaded and when asked about the decision at the presser he said he left him in because, "that's how a guy becomes a guy". Extend the same curtesy to Canning...

5 hours ago, CanadianHalo said:

This team isn’t good. Good teams don’t lose 2/3 to KC and Texas. Especially Texas.

Good teams go through bad stretches. The Astro's were swept by the lowly Tigers and Rockies and lost 2/3 to the Mariners. Does that make the Astros a bad team? 

The Angels were playing great ball at the start. Then we lost Rendon, Stassi, (SP) Ohtani, Lagares, and Fowler all within a week of each other and it started to catch up to us. On top of that the schedule was flipped on its head with weather and COVID postponements. I realize these are excuses but it's ignorant to think that these conditions hasn't had an impact on the record over the last couple weeks. 

I still believe this is an 85+ win team. With some good health and some savvy trade deadline deals, we will make a run for a postseason spot. 

Hoping that it is a minor league deal for Noe

4 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Minasian's front office hasn't had any leaks yet, and I have a very difficult time believing that Maria Torres, for the LAT is going to be Minasian's mouthpiece for the media. 

Torres has never been an impressive reporter. Calling it like it is. She never struck me as bad, but as an Angels beat reporter, she's been pretty non-impact, comparatively. 

So Maria Torres' source, likely isn't from the Angels and if it isn't from the Angels, the only other possibility in regards to Bauer is that her source is Bauer himself or Rachel Luba.

Spoiler Alert: They aren't talking to her either. 

Torres' isn't wrong in her assessment. She's wrong in pretending it's coming from an inside source. 

It is also telling that Fabian and Fletcher have yet to comment, either way, on Torres' article. 

The article has no quote from the front office. It reads like an opinion piece with a sensational title. 

47 minutes ago, DMVol said:

When was the last time we signed any FA pitcher that you could say was a good signing?  

Ohtani. Hasn't been healthy but is still a good signing.

1 minute ago, AngelStew43 said:

Torii Hunter, anyone?

I'd love to see him in a color commentary role. Wonder if Gubi is going to stay on?

Whoever takes over for Victor has some big shoes to fill! But for the love of God, please don't let it be Terry Smith! He is constantly behind on plays and it is agonizing. Trent Rush is better but he may be too much of a Homer. We would be better off with an outside hire. 

13 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

Sorry to sound like a downer here.

Is Iglesias at approx 9 million but losing Noe and someone else really that much better than Hand at 10 million and keep Noe and PTBNL? 

I'd bet Hand will get a multi-year deal. Who knows, maybe we still are in on Hand. It might also be worth gambling on Yates now that we have security in the pen.

Love this deal. The money saved on Robles, Andriese, Middleton, and Noe is used on Rasiel.  

With the way the Angels have been preaching family and Angels history, I think Hollander is a good bet. 

12 hours ago, Trendon said:

Apparently Arte Moreno was on The Sports Lodge on AM830 this afternoon. Did anyone hear this interview and know what Arte said?

https://twitter.com/TheSportsLodge/status/1326295203825688576?s=20

I listened to the interview and there were a few good takeaways. 

Rodger asked if he would be comfortable with Fletcher as the SS next year, Arte said yes but he also said he is a good 2B...

I am paraphrasing but Arte said the pandemic will play a role in how much he spends in FA. He mentioned that they only hit about 37% of their projected revenue this year. He alluded to the fact that the amount of spending will be dictated on if we have fans in the stands next year and play a full season. He mentioned MLB will give some indication on how the season will play out soon.   

Talking about the different rules we had this year he said he liked the expanded playoffs and the 7 inning double header games. 

He said that they have not negotiated with FA's yet and are waiting until the GM is in place. 

Arte sated they believe they have a good team and other than pitching they are looking for a Catcher, MI, and RF. 

In regard to the GM search Arte said they are looking to move away from an analytical driven process and are looking for a more player development process. 

He said the last few years, the analytic process has been trying to force players into roles that didn't work (specifically trying to get pitcher to throw with more spin) for them which gave negative results.

Lodge pointedly asked if the new GM will be given the "keys to the franchise" to make the decisions. Arte said no they won't be given the keys and that "the last few times they did that it did not work out".

The way Arte talked about the next GM it sounded like they have already picked their guy. 

Throughout the interview he kept mentioning that he wants to build a team for Trout and Rendon to win with. He understands how important it is. 

I don't think getting Joc opens a trade for Adell or Marsh. Joc is a FA next season, Marsh will be ready then. Adell still has room on this roster. 

8 hours ago, Randy Gradishar said:

We might have won more without him.

One in the hand is better than two in the bush...

I think Adell for Clevinger is a perfect trade in that I could see both the Angels and Indians saying no.

While it would hurt to move Adell, such a great home grown prospect, I would do it for Clevinger. 3 years of control of a likely top 5 SP in baseball is exactly what this team needs right now. Having Rendon in the lineup for the next 7 years and Marsh right behind Adell makes the decision easier. 

I understand why the Angels FO and the fans on the other side of would say no to the trade (I would be content if they didn't make the trade) but I think Clevinger would put the Angels over the top this year and the near future. 

I don't think Taylor Blake Ward would be the one to break any Angels news. 

I think it is important to keep in mind that Eppler likely knows his job is on the line this year. If he had unlimited resources from Arte, then he likely would be happy to overpay to bring in Ryu or Keuchel to help save his job. That didn't happen for one reason or another. It is reasonable to assume that either Arte refused to shell out the extra money to bring one of those guys in or Eppler cares more about the long term health of the team despite his job being at risk which is admirable.  

Would an oft injured Ryu  push this team over the top in 2020? Maybe...probably not. Would Keuchel? Even less likely. 

I know we all want to win now and we are tired of losing and having a shitty rotation but the fact is that the actual TOTR arms, that would have had a significant impact on the rotation, did not  sign here at no fault to Arte or Eppler. The secondary arms we have missed out on, while would have helped, are not going to make or break the team and the arms we have added in their place are pretty comparable. The way I look at it, Teheran will be our Keuchel and Bundy will be our Kyle Gibson. They each have very similar projections and came cheaper leaving much more flexibility. 

 I don't think it is ridiculous that so many fans are calling for Eppler's job but I do think it is irrational and I think it would be a mistake.