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He is an idiot for lots of reasons. I just prefer to wait and see what exactly happens with Snell before I conclude that there is something to blame Arte for on the subject.

Wouldn’t it be interesting if player had to pick the length of their next contract when they file for free agency? They would have to pick the exact number of years and then stick to it. It would reduce the free agency negotiations to just haggling over dollars, rather than the (sometimes) never-ending going back and forth over dollars AND years. The mlbpa would never go for it but it is interesting to imagine. So you might have someone like Snell designate that he is filing for a 5 year deal. Or JD Martinez files for a one year deal. Heck, they could even have a freaking auction live on TV. “Next up, we have Blake Snell for five years. Opening bid is obviously mlb minimum. We have $70m, now $74m, we have $100m from the Mets, now $102 from the Yankees. . . .” That would be fun to watch. What is the point of talking about things that would never happen? I don’t know, I’m bored.

I didn’t say he was reliably an elite player. I said he is a quality starting pitcher. You are going to have a really hard time saying he isn’t a quality starting pitcher. He would be the Angels #1. If he isn’t a quality starting pitcher then you are saying the Angels have zero quality starting pitchers. And I would disagree. Snell would be the #1 or #2 on most teams. Maybe a #3 on a truly elite rotation. I fully understand the ways to pick him apart. But you can find things to be concerned about on almost every starting pitcher. The biggest knock on Snell is “he is a 5 inning pitcher.” Well, so is almost everybody. “Of the 117 starters who threw at least 100 innings last season, 13 averaged more than six innings per start (with a high of 6.6 from Marlins Sandy Alcántara, and 12 averaged fewer than five (with a low of 4.6 from Luke Weaver). Everyone else is clustered into the narrow five-to-six range.” Baseball itself has evolved into strategic equations, where, like it or not, they expect 5-6 innings from the starter. Snell averaged 5.625 innings per start last year. Basically 5 2/3. He is delivering what the equation asks for. The Angels just built a bullpen set up to be a great fit for the “equation” of starters basically getting through the lineup twice and then going to the bullpen. I would even be tempted to put money on Snell leading the Angel starters in innings. He is definitely a quality starting pitcher, unless your definition of quality is “special” or “elite” or “true ace every year.”

More like most teams recognize he is a quality starting pitcher that absolutely can help them but the asking price right now is higher than they would like to pay.

Arte is an idiot for overpaying for free agents out of foolish desperation. The guy has no discipline. Arte is an idiot for not just signing Snell for his asking price. The guy is a cheap bastard.

Nobody said that, or anything remotely close to that. Wait, hold on, I just realized somebody left my garage light on all night last night. I wonder what happened? Oh, obviously Arte Moreno broke into my garage and used my tools without asking, and drank beer out of my garage fridge, kicked my dog, and farted in my car and then left the lights on when he left.

Very cool. Here is mine from 1980:

Exactly. Moreno sucks but not wanting to pay Davis almost 7 million isn’t evidence of that. No team wanted to pay him that much.

Me?

If he threw 60 pitches, that was definitely a “simulated” four innings. Reality would have been 80 pitches.

Boras is feeding any and all true things, and any and all untrue things, that will help posture his client to get the best contract.

Nobody hates the Dodgers more than I do. I was just comparing the Angels to an obvious local team than wins far more games and controls far more talent on their roster and in their minor league system. I would agree the Braves are a well run team too. Heck I like how the Padres are willing to make bold moves. I would take that too. But the bottom line is I really want the Angels to find a way to be among to top 20% of teams in terms of drafting and developing players. Things seem better recently but I suspect the Angels need changes at the very top to really approach what I would ideally like to see.

Just for the record, I think Moreno isn’t the right owner for this team. I would prefer that he sell the team to somebody else that would run it more like the Dodgers are run. I am excited that baseball is starting again but this exact roster isn’t very exciting to me. The optimist does see that there is some real upside that could materialize and make them much better than expected (and subsequently far more exciting). But my enthusiasm is very guarded and reserved until I see something materializing on the field.

And all these opinions about this situation without any real idea what the player and his agent are currently demanding the contract be. Are they still demanding a stupid contract? Or are they willing to do a totally reasonable deal but Moreno is being a moron? We don’t know. Every team has a budget. And every team might adjust the budget depending on how opportunities evolve. If Moreno originally said “absolutely not” to a massive long term deal, and now Minasian has to stay engaged with Moreno on things as they evolve into maybe there being a different opportunity on Snell, it sure would be easy to report that as “Minasian frustrated with Moreno’s unwillingness to sign the player Minasian wants to sign.” Moreno has definitely earned his reputation so he is going to get thrown under the bus now on everything. Because he is going to get thrown under the bus on EVERYTHING, it isn’t really possible anymore to know when he is actually being a jerk. Maybe he is being a jerk. And maybe he is openly communicating with Minasian on adjusting the budget as things are developing. We don’t know.

So just to be clear, Lorenzen is “depth” and Snell would prevent someone else from developing?

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Tell me exactly what young player would not develop if the Angels signed Snell. You do understand that signing Snell would just push one pitcher to the minors, where they would be in an environment whose sole purpose is to develop them. And you are in another thread literally right now calling for the Angels to sign Lorenzen. Can you make up your mind on whether or not signing a free agent starter prevents others from developing?

Bad faith or was I joking around to reiterate my previous point?

Come on! Don’t you realize that Arte has already botched the Burnes signing?

I am not sure why you believe it WILL. I understand why it could be set up that way, but it could also be perfectly equal from year-to-year or even backloaded, depending on what the two parties work out.

As of now, no team in baseball has signed Snell. And we are preemptively concluding that Arte Moreno has “botched” this situation. OK.

I very much doubt Adell and Moniak would be regularly used as DH. One will be a starter and the other will be the 4th OF. You also have Hicks, so something already has to give. Martinez doesn’t really change that.

You also don’t give massively declining individual year salaries that ENTICE the player to bail out.