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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from AngelsLakersFan in OC Register: Angels narrow list of GM candidates to five   
    Which of the reaction gifs say "I agree with this take, but hate it so much?"
    Arte's comments (that anecdote about how analytics ruined player development is kinda weird),  and tellingly, the list of candidates who *didn't* advance to the final round tells me we're not gonna like what happens - he's obviously looking for someone who'll accept the GM job with lots of limits on budget and control, things that top-tier candidates probably wouldn't accept.   Sounded like he thinks GM's need someone looking over their shoulder by someone who's smarter than they are - "him."   
    We definitely need to improve player scouting and development - but sounds like he's going to sacrifice analytics to do it - no expansion of the operations staff or budget.  
     
     
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    DCAngelsFan reacted to Dochalo in Angels GM Search Thread - down to Justin Hollander and Perry Minasian, Minasian is the frontrunner   
    Yelich and Realmuto were 11 drafts ago.  Jose Fernandez 10.  Since then
    2012 Heaney 9th (and let's be honest, Heaney is really just ok)
    2013 Took Colin Moran (6) and Matt Krook (35).  Got Trevor Williams in the second round that year as well and traded him in 2015 for Richard Mitchell. 
    2014 Got Brian Anderson in the third round.  Tyler Kolek (2) and Blake Anderson (36) as well as Justin Twine (43)
    2015 - Josh Naylor (12)
    2016 - Braxton Garrett (7),  Chris Paddack in the 8th round and traded him for Fernando Rodney.  
    2017 - Trevor Rogers (13) - their #8 prospect right now.  
    2018 - Connor Scott (13) - HS kid.  TBD
    rest is TBD.  Bleday is a solid prospect (4th overall).  They got Chisholm for Gallen.  Jesus Sanchez and Edward Cabrera also top 100.  Along with Max Meyer who they got 3rd overall in 2020.
    They've had a crap top of high draft picks.  Good return on Realmuto and Ozuna.  But they already moved Gallen.  Traded Luis Castillo twice.  Once for a dreadful Andrew Cashner and then for Dan Straily.   Gave out terrible contracts to Wei-Yin Chen and Saltalamacchia.  Yelich trade doesn't look good.  Stanton deal was good to get rid of that horrible contract.  Some also claim that most of the good work done recently may have been with Jeter driving the bus.  Which makes some sense considering that Hill lost his job in spite of those moves and the Marlins making the playoffs.  
    Just not impressed with the guy's CV at all.  
    I'd rather see the halos go with a lesser known quantity than some guy with 'experience' just because he has it.  
     
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    DCAngelsFan reacted to Angel Oracle in The Official 2020-2021 Hot Stove Offseason Thread   
    So, the Mets are going to join the 21st century, and hire both a president of baseball ops and a GM.
    Well Arte?
    We’re waiting...for you to join the 21st century and do the same.
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    DCAngelsFan reacted to Lou in Angels have contacted former Scouting Director Eddie Bane for the GM job!   
    Bullshit. They didn't go cheap.
    https://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=4890
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    DCAngelsFan reacted to Fourts in Angels have contacted former Scouting Director Eddie Bane for the GM job!   
    I wish they did go cheap that draft -- Yelich and Syndergaard sitting right there for them to take and pay them way less.  Imagine the fortunes of this franchise if they selected those two instead?  Both went right after / near their picks.  Others down the line like Simmons, Realmito, etc.  But Yelich & Noah we're absolutely realistic picks.   
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from Lou in Angels have contacted former Scouting Director Eddie Bane for the GM job!   
    I'd have to amend this - he was let go shortly after one of the *worst* draft performances ever (2010)
     
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from Tank in The Official 2020 MLB World Series Gameday Thread   
    All those people running towards the car with a fire near the gas tank made me think "this is gonna be like 'Apocalypse Now' meets 'Dumb and dumber'"
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from ten ocho recon scout in The Official 2020 MLB World Series Gameday Thread   
    All those people running towards the car with a fire near the gas tank made me think "this is gonna be like 'Apocalypse Now' meets 'Dumb and dumber'"
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from Angel Oracle in The Official 2020 MLB World Series Gameday Thread   
    All those people running towards the car with a fire near the gas tank made me think "this is gonna be like 'Apocalypse Now' meets 'Dumb and dumber'"
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from Slegnaac in Dodgers Young Pitching   
    The fact they drafted many of these in late rounds says they didn't see them as "can't miss" draft prospects.   Yet their overall success in the draft suggests they're better at it than pretty much every other club.  
    Would love to compare/contrast their process and notes on their successes - did their scouts see something others didn't?  Or is their development system superior, that if *we* drafted these same guys, they'd still be in "A" ball?   

    Like you said - it's a rhetorical question, because we can't know the answer - only guess at it.   
    But credit where credit is due - the Dodgers do this better than most everyone else, and I wish the Angels organization were as good at it.
    (international signings are a particular pain point - the Angels have so thoroughly screwed that up - and with an owner whose name is 'Arturo Moreno', you'd think every Latin/South American player would want to play for the Angels)
     
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from ukyah in Morosi: Names emerge in Angels GM search   
    Agreed.
    Of course, the part I'm unclear on - are any of them actually interested in the job?  
    I mean, I'd like the job of being a kept man by Charlize Theron, but I'm becoming suspicious the feeling isn't mutual (I'm told a restraining order is a bad sign 😉 )
     
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from Vegas Halo Fan in Morosi: Names emerge in Angels GM search   
    Agreed.
    Of course, the part I'm unclear on - are any of them actually interested in the job?  
    I mean, I'd like the job of being a kept man by Charlize Theron, but I'm becoming suspicious the feeling isn't mutual (I'm told a restraining order is a bad sign 😉 )
     
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from Angel Oracle in Dodgers Young Pitching   
    He was released in June, and was playing in independent ball - https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=5e3ef32d 
    Based on those stats - .094 BA, and a near 50% SO rate, I think he's about done all he's gonna do in baseball.
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    DCAngelsFan reacted to Inside Pitch in Dodgers Young Pitching   
    I apologize for a response that will come off as possibly elitist or overly harsh but sometimes people say things so utterly stupid I don't really know how to respond other than to point out their glaring ignorance. 
    First, I'm talking about investing in analytics and player development, not the actual results of those things. 
    There is no question the Angels have budgeted more, spent more, and put a greater emphasis on those areas under Eppler than they did Dipoto or that they have more closely followed saber tendencies than at at point under JD.  This is true despite the fact that JD sold himself as a card carrying member of SABR and Eppler downplayed his expertise in the area -- which is possibly why he quadrupled the analytics dept.  Unlike JD, Eppler knew he needed to find better, more qualified people to make those decisions.  And yet having said all that I previously went on record in the "What three things would you do if you were hired to be the GM" thread as focusing solely on adding to the player dev and analytics departments...  Meaning that despite believing Eppler improved those areas, I feel he could have done more.   It's the single most cost effective way to improve a franchise.   
    As far as there not being much to indicate the farm has improved at all, you'll have a hard time finding anyone with an actual clue that extends beyond prospect rankings that would agree with you.
    Your lack of insight outside of what the rankings tell you doesn't make for any false narratives -- it simply means you don't have any clue other than what you can find online and the most basic of "metrics."
    Rankings tend to be all over the place depending on who is reviewing them and what their focus is, as such I have never put a lot of weight in them -- even when they propped the Angels up.  You've got tools sites, you've got saber sites, you've got proximity sites, you have FG's attempt at gauging future value ... they all measure and give credence to different things and make for differing opinions.   Rankings are also dependent players having graduated meaning they are always in flux which is why you see "prospect rankings" three or four times a year now.   The single biggest issue when looking at the Angels (ranking wise), is the overall youth of the farm system -- you have a ton of guys on the right side of the age .vs league argument and that tends to temper their results at times. 
    Still, since you put so much weight in rankings -- here are a couple reminders for you..  https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/los-angeles-angels-top-10-prospects/   The best part of this list is that the guy responsible for signing Barria was fired by JD almost immediately after taking over.   The MLB top 30 isn't much better http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=ana   Thank god for David Fletcher!.   Zero top 100 guys .vs 3 currently.  Don't look now but Packy Naughton might have been in the conversation for the top prospect in the system in 2015.  

    Even if all one does is focus on the rankings...  The massive difference between then and now is that the Angels were universally ranked dead last -- didn't matter where you looked it was 29 teams, 6 miles of shit, and then the Angels.   That simply isn't the case any longer, to argue otherwise is nuts.   If there is one area of real concern with the farm now that was evident then it's the lack of catching and that is 100% on Eppler's view of the position and saber leanings
    LOL..    If you had actually bothered to read any of my criticisms about JD it had almost nothing to do with where the Angels farm system ranked, I focused on his actual actions.
    I blamed JD for creating dysfunction, for constantly leaking shit to the press, notice how that BS magically stopped as soon as he left -- almost as magically as it started when he got here.  I accused him of saying one thing then doing another when it came to sabermetric/baseball decisions.  I blamed him for focusing solely on high floor low ceiling players in the draft.  I blamed him for spending assets on RPs and for trading away international money while continuing to ignore the market as a whole.  I will continue to blame him for creating a mess it has taken years to reverse.  Feel free to show me where Eppler is guilty of any of the same things and then we can start to talk.   "But the rankings"... Giggity!
    The next GM of the Angels won't be taking over a team with black holes at C, 2B, 3B, or LF and 7 more years of AP..   They won't find a farm system lacking upside at every level or handcuffed by bad financial decisions.   The next GM of the Angels won't have to spend the first three years of his tenue simply trying to correct his predecessor's mistakes just to get back to ground zero.  The next GM of the Angels will have Eppler to thank, and not blame.   There is a huge difference there, I'm sorry some can't see it.
    I look forward to revisiting this thread in 5 years to see how well our differing opinions will have fared.
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from Angel Oracle in Dodgers Young Pitching   
    Interesting - we drafted six SS's that year - obviously, none have made any kind of impact (other than the impact of their careers splatting on the floor - Nonnie is in independent ball, and failing there) - for as many "defensive-minded" MIF's we've drafted, you'd think we'd hit at least "once."
    Then again, looking at our draft history, other than 2009, it's a fairly depressing record of mediocrity - pretty much Fletcher is the only one who's been drafted and contributed in the last 6 drafts (Canning and Walsh are works in progress, and obviously, too soon to tell for recent drafts - there's some talent in the pipeline, we hope.)  
    This has been  a major failing - if there's *anything* I hope for for this org, is that we hire a President and GM who are committed to making us better, much better at finding and developing talent.    
     
     
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from Angelsjunky in Dodgers Young Pitching   
    Interesting - we drafted six SS's that year - obviously, none have made any kind of impact (other than the impact of their careers splatting on the floor - Nonnie is in independent ball, and failing there) - for as many "defensive-minded" MIF's we've drafted, you'd think we'd hit at least "once."
    Then again, looking at our draft history, other than 2009, it's a fairly depressing record of mediocrity - pretty much Fletcher is the only one who's been drafted and contributed in the last 6 drafts (Canning and Walsh are works in progress, and obviously, too soon to tell for recent drafts - there's some talent in the pipeline, we hope.)  
    This has been  a major failing - if there's *anything* I hope for for this org, is that we hire a President and GM who are committed to making us better, much better at finding and developing talent.    
     
     
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from Angelsjunky in Dodgers Young Pitching   
    The fact they drafted many of these in late rounds says they didn't see them as "can't miss" draft prospects.   Yet their overall success in the draft suggests they're better at it than pretty much every other club.  
    Would love to compare/contrast their process and notes on their successes - did their scouts see something others didn't?  Or is their development system superior, that if *we* drafted these same guys, they'd still be in "A" ball?   

    Like you said - it's a rhetorical question, because we can't know the answer - only guess at it.   
    But credit where credit is due - the Dodgers do this better than most everyone else, and I wish the Angels organization were as good at it.
    (international signings are a particular pain point - the Angels have so thoroughly screwed that up - and with an owner whose name is 'Arturo Moreno', you'd think every Latin/South American player would want to play for the Angels)
     
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from Angel Oracle in Dodgers Young Pitching   
    The fact they drafted many of these in late rounds says they didn't see them as "can't miss" draft prospects.   Yet their overall success in the draft suggests they're better at it than pretty much every other club.  
    Would love to compare/contrast their process and notes on their successes - did their scouts see something others didn't?  Or is their development system superior, that if *we* drafted these same guys, they'd still be in "A" ball?   

    Like you said - it's a rhetorical question, because we can't know the answer - only guess at it.   
    But credit where credit is due - the Dodgers do this better than most everyone else, and I wish the Angels organization were as good at it.
    (international signings are a particular pain point - the Angels have so thoroughly screwed that up - and with an owner whose name is 'Arturo Moreno', you'd think every Latin/South American player would want to play for the Angels)
     
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    DCAngelsFan reacted to Warfarin in Why Arte Moreno will win the 2020 Winter Meetings   
    While I'd like to believe in this, this is probably a bit overly optimistic.
    If Arte really wants to win, he needs to build this team's front office and scouting/analytic infrastructure far more than he needs to spend a lot of money on one single player.  Sure, signing Bauer will help us, but he really needs to do both (ideally). Hopefully his top lieutenants can advise him of this ...
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from Angel Oracle in The Kumar Rocker/Jack Leiter/Jaden Hill sweepstakes   
    This article is a little dated, but - https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/11/19/mlb-draft-high-school-pitchers-velocity-tommy-john-surgery-problem
    There's little chance this guy has a significant MLB career - nothing to do with him personally, other than his age and velocity - just statistically, a bad idea.    
    (But of course, the thing that muddies the waters a bit is pitchers drafted out of college and seen as successful were *also* drafted as high schoolers - they just didn't sign.)  
     
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    DCAngelsFan reacted to Warfarin in Bauer alternatives?   
    This is why I am a proponent of using Adell in a "mega prospect trade" to secure a top SP prospect - there simply aren't many "aces" available, and the best strategy would be to trade for someone with SP2 potential who, if we get lucky, can maybe even elevate to SP1.  Hence, I'd try to trade him to Detroit for one of Mize/Manning, or if not Detroit, then Cleveland, who has a ton of pitching but no OF prospects to speak of.
    Of course, the easiest route would be to just back up the truck for Bauer.  Bauer nicely fills the "ace" role and Bundy can be an SP2/SP3 type.  Ohtani has SP1 upside, but we simply can't count on him at this time - any production from him should be considered a pleasant surprise.
    But anyway, if I were to construct my offseason plan, I'd do this:
    1.  Sign Bauer
    2.  Trade Adell + lower level minor leaguer for either Mize or Manning
    3.  Have Ohtani play some reps and learn to play RF, with the intent of having him serve as a 4th OF of sorts
    4.  Sign Brad Miller (1/3?), with the intent of having him fill out the bench.  Notably, he can play 2B, SS, 3B, LF, RF.  Here's a link to his Fangraphs page:  https://www.fangraphs.com/players/brad-miller/12775/stats?position=SS
    Lineup:  SS Fletcher, 1B Walsh, CF Trout, 3B Rendon, DH Ohtani, LF Upton, RF Ward (and later, Marsh), C Stassi, 2B Rengifo (or Miller)
    Bench:  1B Pujols, C Bemboom, IF/OF Barreto, IF/OF Miller
    Rotation:  Bauer, Bundy, Heaney, Canning, Barria, Ohtani* to start.  Manning/Mize will be "next man up" and likely be SP3 by mid-season.  Suarez would be depth after that, along with Detmers by season's end
    Bullpen:  Mayers, Pena, Buttrey, Andriese, Ramirez, Bedrosian, Barnes, Sandoval, Quijada, etc.  Sandoval is the key here - I like his SP potential, but he's been a super effective reliever, and given our need for LH relievers, he'd be a key addition.  This is where strengthening our SP staff (Bauer, Manning/Mize) also helps strength our bullpen, as we'd gain a legitimate BP weapon in Sandoval.
    So, TL;DR - by doing the above, we'd gain a legitimate ace (Bauer), possibly acquire another (Manning/Mize have that potential), and if health permits, maybe gain another (Ohtani).
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    DCAngelsFan got a reaction from Angel Oracle in LAT: 5 candidates Angels could consider for new GM, including some with Dodgers ties   
    Good point - it's possible it's a "clean slate" situation, but I think he probably had some discussions at least through intermediaries.
    How stupid would Arte look if, having fired Eppler, found the only person willing to work for him as a GM is the Dodgers bat boy?
    Anyway, a Byrnes / White combo hire would get definitely alleviate my concerns - the hiring is a two-way street, they have good positions and reputations - they don't "need" jobs - so they probably wouldn't come here unless they were convinced they could succeed and could fix/improve all of the nuts-and-bolts non-sexy things that I think Arte ignores.  
    That said, "Dombrowski" - for some reason - sounds more like an Arte choice to me.  
     
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    DCAngelsFan reacted to Warfarin in LAT: 5 candidates Angels could consider for new GM, including some with Dodgers ties   
    I'd also look to his recent quick pivot from Ausmus to Maddon as an indication of his future GM choice, too.  Arte, perhaps very tired of losing by now, went with the "proven winner" in Maddon.  Perhaps now, after trying to work with several first-time GMs, he has grown impatient and wants to go with someone who has built a winner.
    Still, in that regard, I'd like to think that Byres would be a consideration - while he is not the architect of the Dodgers, he is effectively one of their top executives and has played a significant role in building a ridiculous juggernaut that is likely going to be in contention for a very, very long time.
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    DCAngelsFan reacted to arch stanton in The Kumar Rocker/Jack Leiter/Jaden Hill sweepstakes   
    If you go back as far as 2013 the only HS pitchers that have had any impact to date are Soroka, Flaherty, and Ian Anderson. So if you're drafting a HS pitcher, even if you think he's MacKenzie Gore or Riley Pint or even Forrest Whitley, be prepared to wait until at least 2024 or more likely 2025 to get anything out of him.
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