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23 hours ago, Blarg said:

I don't think you understand how much of a rebuild this team has undergone.

The only three steps that could have taken place for a full tear down was

1) Trade Trout but he won't allow it.

2) Trade Ohtani but no owner would have done that

3) Trade Rendon but no team would take him

Those were the only high priced assets the Angels had to move, everything else had no talent return.

So Minasian went with smaller trades like Syndergaard and the Caveman and got a reasonable return. Drafted as best that could be expected and those top picks are all in the lineup.

Outside of Anderson the starting pitching staff is under 28 years old and mostly in house. The infield is going to be stabilized for the next 5 years with Neto, Schanuel and O'Hoppe with still more coming from the minors for infield depth. The outfield is set, once Washington gets over Hicks as a starter. These are all young guys from the organization.

What the fuck more of an overhaul do think needs to happen? 

I get what youre trying to say, and youre not wrong, but those steps you listed are thee ones that would have escalated it and made a difference.  Maybe not Rendon but there is no reason to not have traded Ohtani and at this point Trout, the man deserves better.
Now were looking at the 5-10 years of sucking plan, a la Hou and Bal, before we are relevant.  Which is fine i guess but again i dont want that to be Trouts legacy, or this teams with him.
No owner would have done that, is not a valid excuse.  It isnt like he isnt viewed as the worst or one of at this point anyway he had literally no reason not to.

Youre not getting ace level guys, pitching or hitting, drafting middle of the rounds without getting very lucky.

Im tired of losing baseball from a team that doesnt seem to care and is getting worse instead of better.
You do you, but when this teams cares again, ill care about this team.  
Even a rebuild would be better than what weve been doing, i could support that, at least its a plan. 

75-79, 3 or 4th place finish pending if Sea pitching is as good as some people think it is.

15 hours ago, DMVol said:

I’d at least see what the Giants are willing to do with JD Davis…3b/1b coverage…

This
Maybe even Bart since hes out of options.

16 hours ago, Chuck said:

Yep. I'm a Giants, Diamondbacks and Padres fan this year!! 

Ive been a low key Giants fan for a bit now... my daughter lives up there so weve been hitting up games and its really a great place to watch baseball in my opinion.  

13 minutes ago, Taylor said:

I'm glad you feel this way.

Do you know which kind of person is most likely to be falsely incarcerated?

My god man you cant help yourself can you... 

Then he should rebuild... but he wont as it will hurt the ticket sales.
But by summer when the team is terrible it will anyway, so hes just being an idiot. 

18 hours ago, Jason said:

About 90% that post here are lefties but there are actually a couple of us here that have conservative views. I don't feel silenced at all. 

Honestly, Im glad to hear that your experience was different than my own, perhaps things have mellowed in the last few years.
I tend to be too vocal and opinionated so i find at times its better to just stay away to avoid the dogpile, it isnt like there is any real debate in politics these days anyway.
With that ill once again find the door, enjoy!


 

On 2/2/2024 at 9:02 PM, Lhalo said:

Anyone know if @Glen is doing well? @floplag used to participate but he doesn’t want his views to be known around here. He’d rather be anonymous by using the same screen name on Twitter.

Well twitter allows both sides, unlike here so...   

13 hours ago, Taylor said:

Hardly anyone is intellectually honest enough to admit the real reason why they want him on the Angels.

define irony...

Thats pretty much what it will take.
Not high on Anderson would prefer Moose for 3B as we all know well likely need one at some point.
But, yeah, Snell, Bellinger, Hoskins, Moose ... thats what its going to take to actually be in the post mix.
Is that realistic, probably not, but thats real. 
I still believe if Arte isnt willing to do that, then we should do a full rebuild.  Playing 500ish ball is making us worse, not better, its time for something drastic one way or the other. 

21 hours ago, The Ghost of Bob Starr said:

Wait about 3-5 years. 

weve been saying that for literally 5 years... farm got worse. 

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

I also have evidence that five million illegals think Bauer is a clubhouse cancer, but I'm not willing to share it with you.

i suspect you dont have much evidence of many of your takes... oh and the about twice that now just to update your bullshit .

1 minute ago, Taylor said:

I linked to a source in the post above yours.

Good thing i check links before clicking
But yeah, thats what i thought. 

I hate to break it to some of you but right now WE are a bigger PR problem than he is.

We need pitching, and no one else seems to want to play here.. Stroman for example turning us down to take less money to go to NYY according to this mornings reading.  Some of you act like were some desired destination, like we have our choice... wake up, your kidding yourself.  

The only way were getting anyone to come here right now is a guy like this, or overpaying.

2 hours ago, Taylor said:

This is true. But the fact remains that the league sees him as a team cancer, which might overshadow anything good he brings to the mound.

Source?
Have any actual teammates come out and said this?  Any executives?   If you have any links or references id like to see it for my own knowledge.  I do know that many have supported him including Mookie Betts as i recall.  I think i put more credence in the word of guys that played with him than anything else personally 

Sure, he didnt fail us, we failed him. 
Had Arte made an actual effort to win none of this ever happens

Optimal point, OUT of a playoff spot, and looking up and teams that all had a better chance to improve than we did. 
The odds were long even then by any book or projection.
We all get optimistic but the reality of it was very different than the flowery picture you paint and you know that, or should. 

9 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Stanton, Yelich, Arenado were all signed well before free agency and traded after signing extensions with their previous teams.  Cole was traded with years left on his deal.  Should the Astros have traded Cole, since he left them and went to the Yankees? 

Shoulda woulda coulda... none of that happens without the teams putting them out there which is what we should have done. 
See it how you will, its moot now. 

12 minutes ago, Stradling said:

No

Agree, dont, whatever... thats up to you, but its factual from any reasonable baseball perspective.
In recent years Stanton, Cole, Yelich, Betts, Lindor, Arenado et al... its how it works. 
None of them may be Ohtani, but it doesnt change the ideal. 
 

2 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

He didn't want to be known as the guy who traded Shohei.

 

Which is understandable.

 

It's hilarious to find a way to look far worse than that.

No, it isnt understandable at all, its cowardly.
ANY other plater, literally any one on the planet, in a walk year that your not sure you could sign you trade them, it happens every off season how many times?  its what should have been done with him.
Its a 30 second explanation, we werent sure we could resign him so we did what was best for the club.  Period, its over, move on. 
No one would have faulted him for it, no one. 

1 minute ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Was thinking about this over the last few days.

You can't fault Moreno or other owners for not having the money to compete with the Dodgers (and to a lesser extent the Yankees, Mets, etc). Any more than I can compete with people eicher than me.

That being said, if he's unable or unwilling to, he needs to sell to someone who is. Period. 

Merely holding on because you want to own something is fine if it doesn't effect anyone else. But not having rhe ability to compete is shitty for both the fan base and the org.

I was talking to a few Dodger fans the other day, and I hated to admit this (to them or anyone else), but I saw firsthand the transition from the Angels being a team that marquee guys were trying to get traded to to a team that guys weren't interested in coming to. And it wasn't due to money.

It isnt about faulting him for not competing with the Dodgers.. its about not knowing he could or what the situation was and acting accordingly. 
He should have known what it would take
He should have known if he was willing to do that
He should have  made differing choices if he wasnt completely aware of all those things. 
he should have sold the club last off season, he should have traded Ohtani at that same time.
He consistently made the wrong choice at every turn from a baseball perspective.
Yes i 100% can fault him for that. 
Hes the reason people dont want to come here going back to the last dodger trade fiasco.. hes looked like a monkey fucking a football ever since. 

19 hours ago, Stradling said:

No one is going to stop following the team if they sign Bauer. If the Angels sign him and someone on here says they are no longer going to follow the team then they should probably be shown the door here as well. 

This
Itys a virtual guarantee that people/players you like are equally as potentially depraved, the only difference is you dont know about it. 
The man was proven innocent, he deserves a chance, the rest is nonsense. 

so.. he wouldnt trade him, then wouldnt pay what it took?  either he was totally out of touch with the costs or just didnt have the balls