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  1. There's a lot there. I will try to addres what I can. First of all, last year the team's situation didn't look as dire as it does now because they didn't have so many injured pitchers. They had 8 starters. Getting Simmons and Escobar to compete in 2016 made sense. It's a different situation now. The reason for leaving the other holes was flat-out money. That's Arte's call. It hasn't changed. They still won't spend big until they are rid of the Hamilton contract IMO. And this deal essentially does acknowledge that 2017 may not be that great and they are building for the long te
    9 points
  2. yk9001

    Puig

    Guys, I think I started a "Puig vs. Trout: Who ya got?" thread one time. I'll excuse myself now.
    7 points
  3. It seems to me that a lot of Angels fans want the team to gamble on players who have a big upside but haven't done it yet. That's pretty much what people want to see. All of this "trade everyone and rebuild" talk is about what exactly? Do you want to trade Hector Santiago to get a younger Hector Santiago? They have Santiago now and they aren't good, because they lack front of the rotation starters. How do you think you get those guys? Well you can't acquire some team's legit top prospect talent for anything the Angels have. You can't get Julio Urias or Lucas Giolito. You can get a) a lower cei
    6 points
  4. vladdy#27

    Twins acquire Santiago

    I guess I'm in the minority as someone that likes this trade. Nolasco and Santiago aren't really that much different. Both give up a lot of home runs. Santiago gives up less hits, but walks more, so both are going to have a similar WHIP. Since Santiago has been in the major leagues Nolasco has had a high WAR in every single season, including this one. The Twins are paying Nolasco this season (while we are still paying for Santiago) and giving us 4M next season to cover the cost difference. Then we have the ability to pick up Nolasco for an additional season longer than Santiago is under contra
    6 points
  5. " In the worst case scenario, if Alex can’t get his command under control as a starter, Meyer could turn into an elite reliever so the outcomes here are fairly rosy for the Halos." The "worst case scenario" is that he might turn into an elite reliever? You're sure optimistic, ettin! I think the worst case scenario is that he can't hack it as a reliever, either, and is out of baseball in a couple of years.
    6 points
  6. Inside Pitch

    Servais > Scioscia

    Anyone tell you it was his knee that gave out? Dude's arm never went bust -- his knee did. Good talk...
    5 points
  7. Ohtaniland

    Servais > Scioscia

    Mike Scioscia is responsible for the demise of the franchise a lot more than people are willing to admit. His style of managing is obsolete. He's been surrounded by plenty of talent to work with over the years since 2002 but failed to produce a championship. He's undermined his GM's along the way and was the driving force that pushed out Napoli and brought us Vernon Wells. He wasn't thrilled that Trout was called up while Abreu was sent packing. His stubbornness to continue accommodating veteran players is ridiculous. When you allow a player to tell you when and where he's going to play a
    5 points
  8. I don't know if that's a comparable situation. Street was out for a long time and hasn't had very steady work. He was also being auditioned for a possible trade. While I think we all agree that Bedrosian is the better pitcher now there's still room to debate whether Street, who is signed for another year, needs to lose the closer role without a few opportunities to make amends. Scioscia seems willing to give that and that's probably why players like playing for him while it's a big unknown how much they'll like Sevais over the long term.
    5 points
  9. I also get that a lot of you look at Meyer and see his age and his injury and stats and think he has no chance. I have never laid eyes on the guy myself. But in my conversation with Angels people today, I can tell you they have been watching the guy for a long time and looked at his MRI (he had the same thing Skaggs had in May and June) and they all wanted him. They may be wrong but their opinion is far more well informed than yours or mine.
    5 points
  10. I would have preferred player/players with the greatest possible value regardless of their level. With less of a focus on what is going to help in 2017 or even 2018. If that talent isn't ready but the team is somehow making a run, you can always use it to acquire other talent. From the sound of things though, Eppler really wanted Meyer. Who probably has more upside than any other player we could have gotten for Hector. So far, Eppler has done a solid job of finding his guy and getting him. Even if the deal seems odd at the time. Gotta give the guy some credit in that this gu
    5 points
  11. I hope you're right about this, Ettin. To me it looks like we traded a decent starter for a worse starter, earning more, with the same length of club control ... as well as a relief prospect. I don't see Meyer sticking as a starter, that seems pretty unrealistic at this point. I firmly believe if we'd just auctioned Santiago off for prospects and not had this strange obsession with filling the 2017 rotation that we would have got a much better return.
    5 points
  12. When a guy draws a picture of home plate for the umpire, you keep that crazy mofo.
    5 points
  13. I did a Facebook LIve chat tonight breaking down and explaining the Angels trades. Also talked about some other stuff.
    4 points
  14. Hmmmm...not sure how much Nagy has had to do with it, but it definitely makes for a good discussion. Nagy sleeping like a baby?
    4 points
  15. 4 points
  16. Eppler has done a good job with finding some interesting waiver pickups and has won the Escobar and Simmons deal so he's got some collateral. Without access to the same info he does, from the outside, this one is just odd.
    4 points
  17. We're largely sympatico as usual, Doc. That said, I'm not sure why "the philosophy behind the deal" troubles you, or how it means that the Angels are trying to assemble a vague semblance of competition at the expense of future success. You and I agree that 2017, and probably 2018, are lost causes and only secondary towards building for 2019 and beyond. But this trade does just that. In Nolasco the Angels have an innings eater for 2017. If we see 2017 as lost, it doesn't matter if it is Santiago or Nolasco. But in Meyer - while far from a sure thing - Eppler acquired another youngish arm that c
    4 points
  18. I just hope we're not going to be like the Pirates were when they finished under .500 for twenty straight years. This organization needs a major restructuring, starting with the owner and going from there.
    4 points
  19. If this is the entire trade then fuck off Eppler.
    4 points
  20. I just lost some respect for Eppler. Why not just hold on to Santiago, if that's the best they could do?
    4 points
  21. I'll let Chuck and David post this formally if they choose to do so but here is an analysis of the two trades the Angels made today: 2016 Trade Deadline Analysis Minutes before the trade deadline expired, the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim announced two trades involving LHP Hector Santiago and RHR Alan Busenitz going to the Twins and RHR Joe Smith being sent to the Cubs. Frankly the latter trade is simply the Angels cashing in pure rental player Joe Smith for low A-ball RHP Jesus Castillo. Jesus is a young 20 year old potential lottery ticket type pitcher that was not
    3 points
  22. nate

    It has to be Arte

    There is no way the Angels could have had this many bad GMs.
    3 points
  23. Calzone is a good dude, but that bus trip is making him grumpy.
    3 points
  24. Dochalo

    Twins acquire Santiago

    he's actually having a solid season at AAA. He'd probably be in the bigs with the halos right now if they weren't a bunch of anti-semites.
    3 points
  25. tdawg87

    Twins acquire Santiago

    Yes. But whining is way more fun than being positive. Especially if it makes a player's brother incredibly angry and they go off the deep end.
    3 points
  26. Funny thing his, Scioscia has been REALLY good at making optimal choices from his bullpen (See: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-mlb-playoffs-bullpen-managers-mike-matheny-joe-girardi/). The problem is: he just hasn't had very good options.
    3 points
  27. tomsred

    Twins acquire Santiago

    I didn't tell you what they are like, I told you my perception of a factor involved in message boards. It's okay to disagree with that perception, but don't you agree that message boards are "emotional magnets" so to speak? It seems to me that's part of their purpose, an emotional outlet.
    3 points
  28. halomatt

    Servais > Scioscia

    Scioscia's a genius. The dude brought us a Series win in '02 and multiple playoff years in the last ten years. He can't help it if his general managers are crap. HOF Manager we're watching! That outta kick off the shit storm!
    3 points
  29. tdawg87

    Servais > Scioscia

    We're early on page 1 but I predict this thread will be a clusterfuck.
    3 points
  30. Second Base

    Servais > Scioscia

    Scioscia has his strengths and weaknesses, like anyone else. He's a great "player's manager" in that he really has their back. He's a great clubhouse manager as well. His pre-games are light, fun, optimistic. His team building exercises during spring training is the stuff of legends. He has a good rapport with MLB umpires and the commissioner's office, which can't hurt. He handles the media really well. But his weaknesses are the same they've always been. Not as open to deploying prospects as he should be. The worst bullpen manager maybe ever. In game tactics are questionable. His personn
    3 points
  31. How about Chris Farley doing John Kruk?
    3 points
  32. I think people know you are not getting a good, top level prospect for Santiago but alternatively people are not going to be thrilled when you take on an older, worse SP for the chance of a 26/27 year old injured faded prospect to realize the potential that has never really shown signs of surfacing. It sounds highly unrealistic to expect a return on that gamble when the guys' own drafting franchise doesn't see a need to hold on to him. There is desperate but hopeful and there is THIS.
    3 points
  33. tdawg87

    Puig

    Then we have to hope CJ Wilson can play left so we can get a giant pussy out there.
    3 points
  34. Ouch. That doesn't exactly make me feel better about the deal.
    3 points
  35. There's no salary relief. It's just a wash (Angels pay Santiago's salary for this year, Twins pay Nolasco's, and then they send $4M to us next year to roughly balance out the difference in their anticipated salaries).
    3 points
  36. They did execute that goal, you're right. It just seems like the wrong goal to have. There are better ways to acquire arms to eat innings than underselling a valuable asset.
    3 points
  37. I liked this bump because I didn't look like a fool in it.
    3 points
  38. "...naïve of card misplay" I've said this often
    3 points
  39. A couple of things: 1) Escobar's trade market didn't develop well as the Royals fell out of contention, the Giants went the cheaper route with Nunez, and the Mets also went the cheap route with Jose Reyes. 2) September waivers could still see Escobar getting traded especially if those "cheap" options don't work out for the Giants and Mets and/or another contending team loses a key player at 3B or even 2B. Finally the Angels have clearly stated that they are not a rebuilding team. It could be that they want to compete and see where the 1st half of 2017 takes them with a rotation
    3 points
  40. Watching this trade deadline coverage it's pretty clear just how irrelevant the Angels are.
    3 points
  41. they never said who they intend on competing with Beat the Twins !
    3 points
  42. The Angels are stupid and intend to "compete" next year
    3 points
  43. He slid into Eppler's office and did the big SAFE move.
    3 points
  44. If anyone was advocating us trading Trout to reboot the farm, that should be off the table now. I don't want to even imagine how bad this organization would boot that deal.
    3 points
  45. Adam

    Twins acquire Santiago

    Eppler is fucking awful
    3 points
  46. Oz27

    It has to be Arte

    I've come to believe meddling owners are the worst thing you can have. The most successful recipe is to have a guy who hands over the money to someone who actually knows what they're doing. It certainly appears that isn't the case with us. I defended the guy for a long time but I really, really hope he sells the team soon.
    3 points
  47. So...you trade Hector Santiago, a lefthanded SP with actual value (minimal but actual value) for a older and shittier pitcher and an injured, failed prospect...oh, and Eppler threw in an extra prospect who can touch triple digits with his fastball. This is really quite indefensible...
    3 points
  48. doing exactly what I had hoped they would not. Using our assets to play for 2017. this team is retARTEd
    3 points
  49. CanadianHalo

    Twins acquire Santiago

    A trade so bad that not even Stradling can put his usual homer spin on it. I think we've officially hit rock bottom boys
    3 points


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