Ervin Santana and some kind of new weapon

[NrM]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/ervin-santana-and-some-new-kind-of-weapon/

 

 

I know everyone hates Santana with a passion here, but he's still a solid number 3. Probably on Garza's level.

[Chuck]

If he didn't cost a draft pick I'd prefer him over Garza, though Garza has been more consistent, Santana healthier the past two seasons.

[Brent Maguire]

I can't fault the Angels for moving on and trading Santana. He was pretty expensive for a guy who was all over the place with his results.

I would've, however, preferred to have kept him over signing Blanton.

Anyways, Santana is a big risk for any team but somebody will give him a 5/60 deal and probably see the on/off year routine he has done his whole career.

[ukyah]

santana couldn't carry garza's jock, and i'm not a garza geek either.

[Angel Oracle]

I can't fault the Angels for moving on and trading Santana. He was pretty expensive for a guy who was all over the place with his results.

I would've, however, preferred to have kept him over signing Blanton.

Anyways, Santana is a big risk for any team but somebody will give him a 5/60 deal and probably see the on/off year routine he has done his whole career.

The irony is that Santana would have only cost $5 million more than Blanton in 2013, and still under the tax threshold. Plus, they could have either traded him in July or kept him and offered to tender him and get the draft pick.

[Erick McClendon]

I see LAA bringing back Santana at 6 yrs 100 million. Makes tons of sense...

[Halos of Anaheim]

I see LAA bringing back Santana at 6 yrs 100 million. Makes tons of sense...

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[Inside Pitch]

santana couldn't carry garza's jock, and i'm not a garza geek either.

 

Someone's been drinking the kool-aid.

Edited December 28, 2013 by Inside Pitch

[Brent Maguire]

I see LAA bringing back Santana at 6 yrs 100 million. Makes tons of sense...

I hope this is sarcasm.

There's no way the Angels admit that they made a mistake in trading Santana only to follow it up by signing him to a big deal.

[Hollyw00d]

Yeah, but hows the ball coming out of his hand?

[Angelsjunky]

Garza and Santana have relatively similar career results:

 

Santana: 4.19 ERA, 268 games (265 starts), 1686.2 IP, 7.09 K/9, 2.81 BB/9, 19.6 fWAR

Garza: 3.84 ERA, 194 games (191 starts), 1182.1 IP, 7.62 K/9, 2.99 BB/9, 18.1 fWAR

 

Garza is a bit better, but not by much.

 

Here's their best seasons in order by fWAR:

 

6.0 Santana, 2008

4.9 Garza, 2011

3.3 Santana, 2006

3.2 Garza, 2008

3.0 Santana, 2013

2.9 Garza, 2009

2.6 Santana, 2011

2.2 Garza, 2013

1.9 Santana, 2010

 

Note the alternation. Below that it is broken, with Santana having the next best season.

 

Regardless, though, I think both are essentially 3 fWAR pitchers. You could even say that, as a general guideline, your #1 is 5 fWAR, your #2 is 4 fWAR, #3 is 3 fWAR, #2 is 2 fWAR, and #5 is 1 fWAR - so both are relatively typical #3s.

[gotbeer]

Considering his agent came out and said he was looking for over $100 million.  no thanks.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Considering his agent came out and said he was looking for over $100 million.  no thanks.

 

I'm looking for over $100M too, but nobody is going to give it to me. 

[Splint7438]

Who here hates Ervin with a passion? Not accurate at all. I was sorry to see him go tho not heart broken. Was a baseball move plain and simple and understandable. I wouldn't mind having Ervin back as long as it doesn't influence other signings too much. We all watched him grow up in the majors and knew what we were getting every other year.

[Cdaniel]

I hope this is sarcasm.

There's no way the Angels admit that they made a mistake in trading Santana only to follow it up by signing him to a big deal.

Plus costing the Angels a draft pick.

[ukyah]

Someone's been drinking the kool-aid.

 

 

my statement and yours don't even correlate.

[AngelsLakersFan]

Hitters teed off on Ervin's fastball when he was with us. Interesting to see how he started throwing a sinker in place of the 4 seamer with KC.

[Michifan]

I can't fault the Angels for moving on and trading Santana. He was pretty expensive for a guy who was all over the place with his results.

I would've, however, preferred to have kept him over signing Blanton.

Anyways, Santana is a big risk for any team but somebody will give him a 5/60 deal and probably see the on/off year routine he has done his whole career.

By all over the place do you mean the home runs hit off of him. They seemed to be all over the place. 

[Angel Oracle]

Which is why wherever Tanaka signs, he needs to cut throwing his 4 seamer back from a quarter of the time to maybe 5-10% of the time.

It could then be a nice but occasional change of pace pitch, since everything else has good to great movement.

Edited December 29, 2013 by Angel Oracle

[Inside Pitch]

my statement and yours don't even correlate.

 

 

If you really think that Santana can't carry Garza's jock, then it would appear you've bought into the hype some surrounding Garza.   Thus the Kool-aid comment.

[Jimmag]

I wouldn't say everyone here hates Santana with a passion. He has given most fits at times when he was an Angel however he also had his shinning moments. I say no to bringing him back. 

 

 

I am looking for 100 million also I just have not found it yet.

[Brent Maguire]

It looks like a lot of people are looking for 100 million dollars and won't get it.

 

I'll join that group as well. 

[Angel Oracle]

I'll take a million, thank you.

[Erstad Grit]

Who here hates Ervin with a passion? Not accurate at all. I was sorry to see him go tho not heart broken. Was a baseball move plain and simple and understandable. I wouldn't mind having Ervin back as long as it doesn't influence other signings too much. We all watched him grow up in the majors and knew what we were getting every other year.

 

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[Vegas Halo Fan]

Who here hates Ervin with a passion? Not accurate at all. I was sorry to see him go tho not heart broken. Was a baseball move plain and simple and understandable. I wouldn't mind having Ervin back as long as it doesn't influence other signings too much. We all watched him grow up in the majors and knew what we were getting every other year.

 

This is pretty much how I feel. I don't recall anyone hating Santana, just frustrated over the inconsistency of a pitcher with his skills. Pitch a no-hitter, then give up four home runs. We never knew what we were going to get when Ervin started.