Kendrys really blew it

[Homebrewer]

Yeah, I feel bad for a guy who is going to make and has made millions of dollars playing baseball for a living.

Making money isn't everything. The guy had the talent to put up numbers and have a really good career.

He has had some awful breaks (no pun intended) along the way, and seems like a really good guy.

I don't feel sorry for many players, but I do believe Kendrys deserved better after all he's gone through.

[Troll Daddy]

This thread is a little pre-mature

[Stradling]

I love how we can't feel bad for millionaires that play a game. We can only feel bad for horribly awful things in life.

[Homebrewer]

This thread is a little pre-mature

The draft pick thing is a huge issue that needs to be addressed.

If not for the draft pick he would most likely be back with the Angels

[Stradling]

The draft pick thing is a huge issue that needs to be addressed.

If not for the draft pick he would most likely be back with the Angels

No. If it weren't for the CBT he could be with the Angels. But he is probably going to get a multi year deal in excess of $20 million and you think the Angels would pay that?

[Homebrewer]

No. If it weren't for the CBT he could be with the Angels. But he is probably going to get a multi year deal in excess of $20 million and you think the Angels would pay that?

IF he gets signed, he will wind up with a one or two year deal on a non contender.

Astros-Cubs- Muts-Twins-Marlins-Pads .

Edited December 19, 2013 by Homebrewer

[CaliAngel]

I love how we can't feel bad for millionaires that play a game.

 

You do?

 

Coulda fooled me. 

[Brandon]

I'd like to see changes in this rule. I don't know what they should be, but I feel it causes too many problems. Both sides are guessing and "playing the market" so to speak. It's risky on both sides.

 

 

uh.......

[halobob]

I love how we can't feel bad for millionaires that play a game. We can only feel bad for horribly awful things in life.

You can feel bad for him for any reason.  I will feel bad for him if something truly bad happens...jumping on homeplate and getting a serious injury for example.  But feeling bad for him because he may make a few million less this year because his agent told him he could get more than the qualifying offer seems silly to me.

[Stradling]

You do?

Coulda fooled me.

Well yes there are times I feel bad for them. I'm not immune to emotion just because they make a ton of money. Then again I'm not jealous of the money they make.

[eaterfan]

I love how we can't feel bad for millionaires that play a game. We can only feel bad for horribly awful things in life.

 

Kendry's signed as a FA out of Cuba. He was a union member when the collective bargaining agreement was voted on. He was offered a one year $14 million contract. He has maybe the best agent of all time representing him and informing him of the risks and rewards of accepting and declining that contract. I don't feel bad for the guy. He had every chance to make good decisions and didn't make it. He also had every opportunity to play better last season so teams would sign him regardless of losing a pick.

 

Is the system 100% fair (in that he will maximize his $ received on this contract? Maybe not. But it's far less fair to guys who are drafted out of high school and have much smaller first contracts, no choice in where they play, and weren't voting members in the Union when the CBA was voted on. Guys on their rookie contracts are far worse off than Kendrys and it's only going to get worse. Mike Trout could have held out for a higher signing bonus. With the new system those guys can't even really do that. The system was voted on and approved by the players. I feel no sympathy for them.

 

Not only that, but if Kendrys accepted his $14 million dollar contract and played well and did that 3 years in a row that is probably more than he would have been offered in a contract. He has the opportunity to earn more money than he would have.

Edited December 19, 2013 by eaterfan

[mancini79]

Maybe he just wanted out of Seattle

[eaterfan]

Maybe he just wanted out of Seattle

 

I'd bet there is a team out there that would sign him to league minimum.

[Troll Daddy]

My guess is somewhere near 4/40M

[Docwaukee]

I think the compensation should be tiered. 

 

you can offer one of two or even three levels of comp to a player.  The comp value could be predetermined every year

 

15mil - tied to the signers 1st round pick draft pick

10mil - tied to the 2nd or 3rd round with the signer losing their pick but getting a comp pick at the end of the round

5mil - tied to the 4th or 5th round.  No lost pick.  team that lost the player just gets a comp pick at the end of the round

 

Also, whether a team gets a comp pick could be tied to the number of years the player signs for.  ex. 

3yrs or greater and the new team loses it's pick

<3yrs and the new team doesn't forfeit a pick but the team that lost the player gets a comp pick.

 

Basically, some sort of hybrid of the new and old system without the lame type A/B thing. 

[Jeff Fletcher]

I wouldn't underestimate Scott Boras. How many times have we said "That Boras screwed up this time!" and he still gets his guy the money. It's only Dec. 19.

 

Look at last year with Rafael Soriano. The Nats didn't need a closer until Boras convinced them they did.

 

Don't be surprised if Morales signs with the Twins. Clearly they have some money to spend. They have a protected pick. They have no real DH (less so since trading Doumit yesterday).

[Homebrewer]

He wont be getting 14 mil from the Twinkies, but they are the logical suitor.

[Mark68]

I doubt that's what he's looking for.

 

He's looking for longer contract (probably 3 year/$30-$32 million) that pays more into his mid 30s.  He's as aware as anybody else is of his lack of value.  In Seattle, he was the best player on the team, despite being worthless defensively.  If he even has a slight letdown on a 1 year contract anywhere, say good bye to getting tens of millions offered to him.  

Yeah, I believe this was the thinking as well. I think he wants more years with a slightly less AAV, because he wants the security.

[Brent Maguire]

Orioles need a DH and haven't done much of anything this offseason so that's a possible landing spot. 

 

My guess is he gets a 2/20 deal. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

I think the compensation should be tiered. 

 

you can offer one of two or even three levels of comp to a player.  The comp value could be predetermined every year

 

15mil - tied to the signers 1st round pick draft pick

10mil - tied to the 2nd or 3rd round with the signer losing their pick but getting a comp pick at the end of the round

5mil - tied to the 4th or 5th round.  No lost pick.  team that lost the player just gets a comp pick at the end of the round

 

Also, whether a team gets a comp pick could be tied to the number of years the player signs for.  ex. 

3yrs or greater and the new team loses it's pick

<3yrs and the new team doesn't forfeit a pick but the team that lost the player gets a comp pick.

 

Basically, some sort of hybrid of the new and old system without the lame type A/B thing. 

 

Nothing wrong with that, and I imagine the owners would be OK with that system. It's important to remember though, that the purpose of the compensation system is to decrease amateur signing bonuses. Since the bonuses are now tied to slot when a team gives up their first round pick that money simply disappears. Every QO made each off season converts one high valued first round pick into a lesser second round pick - even though overall selection order stays the same.

[Coachbulldog]

If I'm the GM of a team that has a shot at playing deep into October I would not hesitate to give up a  first round draft choice in exchange for signing a player that could be the difference maker in the upcoming season. 

[Mauch Won]

I can see the MLBPA trying to end the qualifying offer in the next CBA. The fallback maybe to allow sign and trades as poozy mentioned or even allow teams to retain their pick with cash considerations, or trade subsequent rounds. In lieu of a first round get a second and fourth.

[tdawg87]

This already exists.

It's called the draft.

After the draft, any team can sign him without penalty.

That's what Boras and he are waiting for now unless some minor miracle happens.

I'm talking about before the season starts. Like February 1.

[eaterfan]

Getting rid of QO is a good way to benefit big market teams and kill small market teams.

 

Big market teams have enough advantages.  

 

In theory. In practice most of the QOs are extended by the big market clubs who can afford to make them. Just as the international budged was supposed to help small market clubs but the only team punished for exceeding the budget was the Rays.

[Troll Daddy]

The Astros should sign him.