Ken Rosenthal: Dipoto said they're interested in Matt Garza

[Chuckster70]

Source: MLB Network (just now)

[Scott34]

Please don't ruin this week by throwing 80M+ at Garza.

[Blarg]

Yeah, whatever you do Dipoto do not sign another starting pitcher so we can see more of Blanton.

[Chuckster70]

Please don't ruin this week by throwing 80M+ at Garza.

 

Giving him CJ Wilson type money is fair based on 7 straight seasons of a sub 4.00 ERA. He has quality stuff. I don't mind the fact that he faded in that Texas heat down the stretch, the entire Rangers club was shitty down the stretch.

 

Garza is a true #3 and could be a #1 on many other clubs out there.

 

Do it, Jerry!

[Stradling]

I would absolutely take Matt Garza. That would give us enough starting pitching depth. If we do get him, I would then consider that Howie for Butler trade.

[tdawg87]

Makes sense to me. I'd rather have Tanaka but if he can run in and get Garza before Tanaka is posted or signs then it could be a good pickup.

Obviously the guy is an asshole and isn't a GREAT pitcher but he's absolutely a solid number 3 starter with plenty of experience to prove it. I'd expect 2-3 years of 110 ERA+ then maybe a year of being average before falling off.

Is that worth 15 million a year? Of course not but that's the market.

[wopphil]

I agree Chuck.  If healthy, Garza would be a nice addition.  He has been very, very consistent over the years.

[WallyWorld]

I'm torn on Garza.  I do think the Angels need another veteran SP for the rotation, and I do think Garza is talented, but he's one of the best pitchers ion a bad class of FA and will get more $ than he's worth.

[Greg_Bearringer]

I don't see him getting 80 Million. MLBTR predicted 4 years, 60 Million (15 per) and I think that is roughly about right, give or take. The problem would be finding cash for a DH, but I suppose we could just find someone to take Jepsen and Ianetta off our hands. Right? RIGHT?

[Lhalo]

The Japanese posting process is really screwing with the rest of the pitching market. 

[Scott34]

He's a clubhouse cancer and isn't that good of a pitcher.  The Rays dealt him because he was a little better than league average in his prime years.  The Rangers aren't pursuing him because he was BAD with them last year.  Paying 80M for a league average 30-34 year old is just plain Reaginsesque.  Hit hit rate is going up, his K rate is going down. 

[Tyler]

Garza is going to get priced out of being a good value.

[Chuckster70]

I agree Chuck.  If healthy, Garza would be a nice addition.  He has been very, very consistent over the years.

 

Yeah, I think we have a chance since Garza is from So Cal and there's some mutual interest from the Angels side.

 

Can you imagine whoever loses out between Santiago and Richards, they go to the pen, giving us an even better pitching staff. Or if Skaggs needs more time, he starts in AAA.

 

Spring training will tell us how that will shake out, but if Dipoto signs Garza or someone like him, he just improved our SP depth incredibly overnight with this deal.

[Stradling]

He's a clubhouse cancer and isn't that good of a pitcher. The Rays dealt him because he was a little better than league average in his prime years. The Rangers aren't pursuing him because he was BAD with them last year. Paying 80M for a league average 30-34 year old is just plain Reaginsesque. Hit hit rate is going up, his K rate is going down.

Scott, do you have any insight on him being a club house cancer? If he is I certainly don't want him without a no trade clause.

[bloodbrother]

He's the top FA pitcher and has NO draft pick compensation attached to signing him, so it's obvious that the Halos would have interest

 

dream scenario is still Tanaka being posted and the Halos getting him. I'd be OK with Garza for 4yr/$60 mill, though it probably would cost more

[Scott34]

Scott, do you have any insight on him being a club house cancer? If he is I certainly don't want him without a no trade clause.

 

http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/9537663/matt-garza-texas-rangers-apologizes-sexist-rant-oakland-eric-sogard-wife

 

http://mlb.si.com/2013/05/27/matt-garza-johnny-cueto-reds-cubs/

 

etc

[Greg_Bearringer]

He's a clubhouse cancer and isn't that good of a pitcher.  The Rays dealt him because he was a little better than league average in his prime years.  The Rangers aren't pursuing him because he was BAD with them last year.  Paying 80M for a league average 30-34 year old is just plain Reaginsesque.  Hit hit rate is going up, his K rate is going down. 

 

His K rate was down from the year before, but not incredibly far off from what its been in the past.  His control was good, his Velocity was good. And he was actually OK in arlington, which is something.

[Season Over]

Do it if you can stay under the tax.  He'd be a solid #3, and we'd suddenly head into Spring Training with a surplus of starting pitching.

[tdawg87]

Given that he hasn't pitched 200 innings since 2010, I'd be shocked if he gets 80 million. Whatever deal he gets, if it's from the Angels it better have incentives up the butt. I'd do something like 4 years/52 million with a team option for a 5th year worth 15 million. Each year +2 million for 200 IP, +1 million for a sub 4 ERA. +1 million for 175 K's. So worst case the Angels get Garza for 4 years/52 million and he's Vargas the asshole reboot. Best case he takes the incentives seriously and earns some extra cash for pitching better.

[Scott34]

Sign Colon or Arroyo and a guy like Johan or Baker or Yoon and call it a day.

Edited December 11, 2013 by Scott34

[Brent Maguire]

Career ERA- of 93 and FIP- of 95 so he's basically been an above average pitcher in his career. My biggest concern with him is the injury issues. His K/9 dropped last year but he also trimmed his walk rate significantly.

We have the money to sign him now so if Tanaka doesn't work out, I think I'm on board to sign Garza given he doesn't get anything over what CJ got.

[bloodbrother]

I believe Colon is looking for a 2yr deal around $10-$12 million per season

[Angels]

I wouldn't mind Garza...but only if the price is right. 4/60 is the absolute highest I would go for him. And even that's an overpay. 

[Season Over]

I believe Colon is looking for a 2yr deal around $10-$12 million per season

 

That's a lot of Jack in the Box

[Greg_Bearringer]

I don't want any part of Colon. But I am a Big Fan of Roberto Hernandez (to the point of being almost obsessed) especially since he'd be cheap. K's were up, XFIP/ SIERA had him around 3.60 for last season. GET ROBERTO!!!