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Ken Rosenthal: Dipoto said they're interested in Matt Garza


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Please don't ruin this week by throwing 80M+ at Garza.

 

Giving him CJ Wilson type money is fair based on 7 straight seasons of a sub 4.00 ERA. He has quality stuff. I don't mind the fact that he faded in that Texas heat down the stretch, the entire Rangers club was shitty down the stretch.

 

Garza is a true #3 and could be a #1 on many other clubs out there.

 

Do it, Jerry!

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Makes sense to me. I'd rather have Tanaka but if he can run in and get Garza before Tanaka is posted or signs then it could be a good pickup.

Obviously the guy is an asshole and isn't a GREAT pitcher but he's absolutely a solid number 3 starter with plenty of experience to prove it. I'd expect 2-3 years of 110 ERA+ then maybe a year of being average before falling off.

Is that worth 15 million a year? Of course not but that's the market.

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He's a clubhouse cancer and isn't that good of a pitcher.  The Rays dealt him because he was a little better than league average in his prime years.  The Rangers aren't pursuing him because he was BAD with them last year.  Paying 80M for a league average 30-34 year old is just plain Reaginsesque.  Hit hit rate is going up, his K rate is going down. 

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I agree Chuck.  If healthy, Garza would be a nice addition.  He has been very, very consistent over the years.

 

Yeah, I think we have a chance since Garza is from So Cal and there's some mutual interest from the Angels side.

 

Can you imagine whoever loses out between Santiago and Richards, they go to the pen, giving us an even better pitching staff. Or if Skaggs needs more time, he starts in AAA.

 

Spring training will tell us how that will shake out, but if Dipoto signs Garza or someone like him, he just improved our SP depth incredibly overnight with this deal.

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He's a clubhouse cancer and isn't that good of a pitcher. The Rays dealt him because he was a little better than league average in his prime years. The Rangers aren't pursuing him because he was BAD with them last year. Paying 80M for a league average 30-34 year old is just plain Reaginsesque. Hit hit rate is going up, his K rate is going down.

Scott, do you have any insight on him being a club house cancer? If he is I certainly don't want him without a no trade clause.

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He's a clubhouse cancer and isn't that good of a pitcher.  The Rays dealt him because he was a little better than league average in his prime years.  The Rangers aren't pursuing him because he was BAD with them last year.  Paying 80M for a league average 30-34 year old is just plain Reaginsesque.  Hit hit rate is going up, his K rate is going down. 

 

His K rate was down from the year before, but not incredibly far off from what its been in the past.  His control was good, his Velocity was good. And he was actually OK in arlington, which is something.

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Given that he hasn't pitched 200 innings since 2010, I'd be shocked if he gets 80 million. Whatever deal he gets, if it's from the Angels it better have incentives up the butt. I'd do something like 4 years/52 million with a team option for a 5th year worth 15 million. Each year +2 million for 200 IP, +1 million for a sub 4 ERA. +1 million for 175 K's. So worst case the Angels get Garza for 4 years/52 million and he's Vargas the asshole reboot. Best case he takes the incentives seriously and earns some extra cash for pitching better.

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Career ERA- of 93 and FIP- of 95 so he's basically been an above average pitcher in his career. My biggest concern with him is the injury issues. His K/9 dropped last year but he also trimmed his walk rate significantly.

We have the money to sign him now so if Tanaka doesn't work out, I think I'm on board to sign Garza given he doesn't get anything over what CJ got.

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