Official Mark Trumbo Trade Chatter (DEAL DONE)

[beatlesrule]

If Dipoto has 12 teams after Trumbo, it means he is valuable. You get the best deal you can. I still am hoping he is at least flirting with a 3 team deal that gets Price.

[southpaw]

Joe McDonnell â€@joeontheradio15s

N L executive tells me that if AZ doesnt sign Choo the Angels will send Trumbo to AZ for a package of pitchers. Might Cahill be part of it?

[bloodbrother]

Cahill and Skaggs for Trumbo + low level crap prospect or 2 is fine with me. Cahill isn't flashy but should get the job done as a #4 and Skaggs is potentially a buy low candidate after the down year he had. When his stuff is right, he has #2 starter upside

 

After that they can then sign Maholm or Capuano to some small deal

 

Weav

CJ

Cahill

Richards

Capuano or Maholm

Skaggs

Shoemaker

Volstad

the other dude they signed

 

I can dig it

Edited December 10, 2013 by bloodbrother

[SoWhat]

Most likely Cahill and Skaggs

[bloodbrother]

 

Joe McDonnell â€@joeontheradio15s

N L executive tells me that if AZ doesnt sign Choo the Angels will send Trumbo to AZ for a package of pitchers. Might Cahill be part of it?

 

 

Please lord let Choo sign with some random ass team

[Brent Maguire]

 

Joe McDonnell â€@joeontheradio15s

N L executive tells me that if AZ doesnt sign Choo the Angels will send Trumbo to AZ for a package of pitchers. Might Cahill be part of it?

 

That's great if it's true. 

[Gil]

When looking at Cahill's trade value it is important to remember his contract. Which looks like this:

2014 - $7.7m

2015 - $12m

2016 - $13m team option ($300k buyout)

2017 - $13.5m team option ($500k buyout)

 

Given today's FA pitching market, this certainly is not outrageous. However given AZ's pitching depth, this contract would be one they would love to move when they are able to get similar production for league minimum. 

[Scott34]

I'm fine with Choo going to Texas if it means we get Skaggs +.

[KingJustinian]

6:52pm: The Diamondbacks are in the hunt for Choo, according to Rosenthal (Twitter link). As we heard earlier, Arizona is also very much in the mix for Mark Trumbo, so as Rosenthal notes, it appears the club has several options, including trying to sign Choo and trade for a pitcher, or acquiring Trumbo and signing a free agent pitcher.

Crap

 

Don't they already have a full rotation?

[SoWhat]

Choo lives in Scottsdale, which could really hurt our chances.

[Scott34]

I'm coming around to Cahill a little.  Steamer has him as a 2.1 WAR, 3.79 FIP in 2014. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

When looking at Cahill's trade value it is important to remember his contract. Which looks like this:

2014 - $7.7m

2015 - $12m

2016 - $13m team option ($300k buyout)

2017 - $13.5m team option ($500k buyout)

 

Given today's FA pitching market, this certainly is not outrageous. However given AZ's pitching depth, this contract would be one they would love to move when they are able to get similar production for league minimum. 

 

That's pretty reasonable. $20 million for two years. Team options for two years after that. He's comparable to Jason Vargas with a shorter commitment.

 

That said they could've just signed Jason Vargas.

[SigBaby]

If it doesn't work out with D-Backs, we should keep an eye on the Mets. They're likely to trade Ike Davis and have pitching to offer. 

[Angels]

I'll take the over on that. Perhaps even way over. 

 

A 3.79 FIP would be the lowest of Cahill's career. His career FIP is 4.33 and his FIP has only been under 4 once, in 2011 (3.85).

 

A lot of these Steamer projections are wildly optimistic. 

 

Take a look at Jerome Williams' Steamer projection, for example  (as far as FIP is concerned). 3.78 (!!), which is wildly optimistic and nowhere near his actual results over the last few years (or ever, really).

 

It just doesn't compute. 

Edited December 10, 2013 by Angels

[bloodbrother]

I'm coming around to Cahill a little.  Steamer has him as a 2.1 WAR, 3.79 FIP in 2014. 

 

I'd like him better if this team had a great infield D(since he's a high GB% pitcher). With that said, beggars can't be choosers so I'd be totally fine getting him if they are getting Skaggs in there as well

 

Cahill was once a top prospect himself and keep in mind he's only going to be 26. His best seasons should theoretically be in front of him

Edited December 10, 2013 by bloodbrother

[bloodbrother]

Jeff Fletcher ‏@JeffFletcherOCR 30s

A lot of you are confused. Trumbo won't bring Cahill and Skaggs. One or the other.

 

 

I'd still take Skaggs straight up

[SoWhat]

@JeffFletcherOCR: A lot of you are confused. Trumbo won't bring Cahill and Skaggs. One or the other.

Horrible feeling it'll be Cahill for Trumbo

[Cdaniel]

@castrovince: #Dbacks a strong suitor for Shin-Soo Choo. Part of appeal is proximity to his Buckeye, AZ, home.

[KingJustinian]

I'd like him better if this team had a great infield D(since he's a high GB% pitcher). With that said, beggars can't be choosers so I'd be totally fine getting him if they are getting Skaggs in there as well

 

Cahill was once a top prospect himself and keep in mind he's only going to be 26. His best seasons should theoretically be in front of him

 

On paper our infield D should be good. Aybar is good, Kendrick average to above average, Pujols (if healthy) above average, and Freese (if healthy) average. A couple of question marks, but it should be at least average. Last year our whole team sucked on D for some reason, so it's tough to just base our defense off of last year.

[Hubs]

The key here is Cahill and Skaggs for Trumbo and a prospect, how about those two for Trumbo and Frieri?

Then sign Balfour or trade Kendrick for Blue Jays former closer Sergio Santos, Macier Izturis, and Aaron Sanchez?

[KingJustinian]

@JeffFletcherOCR: A lot of you are confused. Trumbo won't bring Cahill and Skaggs. One or the other.

Horrible feeling it'll be Cahill for Trumbo

 

Do the D-Backs have enough depth to deal both? Trumbo + what for both?

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

Jeff Fletcher ‏@JeffFletcherOCR 30s

A lot of you are confused. Trumbo won't bring Cahill and Skaggs. One or the other.

 

 

I'd still take Skaggs straight up

That's what I thought. I don't know why people assumed it was both. I'd be ok with Skaggs straight up.

[tdawg87]

Why do you want Izturis back so much

[Cdaniel]

@JeffFletcherOCR: A lot of you are confused. Trumbo won't bring Cahill and Skaggs. One or the other.

Horrible feeling it'll be Cahill for Trumbo

That's not what Chuck proposed to JD.

[Hubs]

Fletcher is wrong. Trumbo wouldn't have brought that but the price is going up, and hopefully he can be packaged with something and bring them both back.