How about Ervin Santana?

[Kenbrents21]

So is anyone willing to take our home run pitcher back? Say for 5 for 75. I stuck on it but I'm scared we don't help the SP out. We have the win now team but on the edge. If we just scratch a little more and get another #1 we are in it. I think we got have 3 guys to pitch if we get in the playoffs not 2. Right now we have what? 1-2 and maybe 3 number 5's? I feel Richards is going to do a lot better this year his stuff is a lot better then he has pitched. So any thoughts?

[mtangelsfan]

No, he's due for a crappy season.  What makes anyone on here thinks Butcher can do now what he couldn't do before?

[dimitrig]

Just say no.

[Docwaukee]

I think Erv's deal this offseason is going to end up one of the worst and that is saying something considering what we've seen.  I think we'd be better off getting a couple of high risk high reward guys on one year deals. 

[arch stanton]

If we were to sign one of the FA's who will get a 5 year deal I'd just as soon it be him as Jiminez or Garza but if they can find any other way to get a decent starter I'd pass on all three.

[BieberLVR]

He's one of those pitchers that when he's on, he's really great. But when he's having an off day(or year) he is just plain awful. I think it would better serve the Angels to get a starter(Garza or someone else via trade) who has a track record of dependability to slot into the 3 or 4 and then take a flier on a couple of other guys and have them battle it out for the fifth spot in the rotation. I don't think the Angels should hand over the money that Ervin is bound to get without really knowing which Ervin they'll be getting.

[Docwaukee]

there is another reason it won't happen.  The halos front office would essentially be admitting it was a mistake to let him go if they bring him back. 

[Brent Maguire]

It was only a matter of time until this thread was made. 

 

Just say no please. Angels fans should know better than anyone that he fluctuates between good and bad years so teams will have no idea what pitcher he is next year. 

[NrM]

I don't buy this, "due for a bad season" line of thinking.

 

The guy has been one of the most durable starters in baseball and hasn't shown any decline in his fastball.

 

With that said, I don't think he's worth giving up a pick combined with all the money he will get.

[Brent Maguire]

Santana's WAR year by year since 2008: 6.0 1.1 1.9 2.6 -1.0 3.0 

 

I don't think anybody has argued that he hasn't been durable. He certainly has been and that's really valuable but it's hard to dispute his bad year/good year pattern. 

 

He was more successful last year because he threw less four seam fastballs and mixed in more sliders and two seam fastballs. His 4 seam was the worst fastball in the game in 2012 and last year it was closer to league average. It's possible he figured out that using his fastball less helped him. If that was the reason for his big year, then maybe he can string together a few good years in a row. 

 

Still, I don't think it's wise for us to sign him to a 5 year deal. 

[NrM]

I agree. He's not going to be worth Jered Weaver money to go along with giving up a pick. Matt Garza seems to be the better option.

[Brent Maguire]

I agree. He's not going to be worth Jered Weaver money to go along with giving up a pick. Matt Garza seems to be the better option.

Absolutely. Santana will get something like 5/80 but he really deserves 5/55 or so.

 

If Garza stays under 85 million, he might be a good choice. Not losing a draft pick needs to be a priority for this team unless they're trying to get a great player.

[Kenbrents21]

Well I thought I would bring it up cause he is out there and not much left. So let's see who gets the contract right.... I will say 5y 75mil and I agree that's 20 more at least then I would prob do it. 5 year 50 I would really think about it but no way he only gets 10 mil now.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Santana wouldn't come back here

[Chimi]

Santana should have took KCs Qualifying Offer. No team is going to give up their draft pick for him.

[Stradling]

Santana's next contract should be set up like this 5 years $70 million

2014- $10 million

2015- $20 million

2016- $10 million

2017- $20 million

2018- $10 million

That way you over pay him in his good years and pay him what he's worth in his other years. Oh and it would be an over pay his final year as well.

[papawealey]

My God, no.

[gotbeer]

I really really hope Dipoto's idea of waiting for the pitching price to come down, does not mean he's hoping Santana's $125 million demands come down to $100 million.

[KingJustinian]

I'm hoping the Yankees sign him or Jimenez since they won't forfeit a draft pick, and then the Angels can get Garza or some other pitcher for cheaper than expected.

[Blarg]

There is so much out of sync in baseball that so many lousy pitchers are getting long term contracts and for money that used to be reserved for very good pitchers. In this market Weaver would command a 5/$120 contract and would still be leaving money on the table.

Edited December 7, 2013 by Eric Notti

[southpaw]

I think Ervin will be this year's Kyle Lohse. 

[southpaw]

There is so much out of sync in baseball that so many lousy pitchers are getting long term contracts and for money that used to be reserved for very good pitchers. In this market Weaver would command a 5/$120 contract.

Thank goodness he took less to stay here

[HaloMilliVanilli]

There is no pitcher in this years class worth the money.  Or the pick.  Period.  Stick to the trade market and the rehab list.

[eligrba]

He is an option.  It depends on who else is available and how close it is to closing time. 

 

I would most certainly rather have Santana taking the mound than Blanton.

[yvangelfan]

Santana wouldn't come back here

 

Yep. He'd have to insert those nose plugs again..