Angels waiting for SP price to drop + NO interest in Colon

[fan_since79]

Jeff Niemann's career numbers are pretty decent and he's only 30 years old. The question is whether his shoulder is okay after the surgery that ended his 2013 season.

[Jim]

Of that list of 34 starters, here is who is still available:

 

1) Matt Garza (Why he's first, no idea, not my list)

 

2) Masahiro Tanaka

 

3) Ervin Santana

 

5) AJ Burnett

 

8) Bronson Arroyo

 

11) Paul Maholm

 

12) Roberto Hernandez

 

14) Ubaldo Jimenez

 

15) Bartolo Colon

 

19) Chris Capuano

 

20) Roy Halladay

 

22) Jason Hammel

 

23) Wandy Rodriguez

 

25) Joe Saunders

 

26) Jake Westbrook

 

28) Edison Volquez

 

29) Chad Gaudin

 

30) Mike Pelfrey

 

31) Shawn Marcum

 

32) Scott Baker

 

33) Colby Lewis

 

Others not on this list: Bruce Chen, Gavin Floyd, Jeff Francis, Freddy Garcia, Jon Garland, Tommy Hanson, Aaron Harang, Daniel Hudson, Jair Jurrgens, John Lannan, Jason Marquis, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Jeff Neiman, Sean O'Sullivan, Roy Oswalt, Johan Santana, Tyuishi Wada, Jake Westbrook, Jerome Williams, and Barry Zito.

I'm not sure how many others, but Wandy Rodriguez is not a FA.

[HBMike]

Well, Billingsley would currently be our 3rd best starter...[/quot

On MLB radio Ned ( Doyers GM) said Billingsley wouldn't be ready until June, don't think it's worth the risk.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

There may be something to this.

 

Once bitten, twice shy.

Good song. 

[TroutAdell]

Harang is this year's Blanton. Jerry is probably waiting for his price to come down to 2/15. I hate to see what ticket prices are going to be around baseball with these absurd contracts.

[TroutAdell]

Someone will give Garza a five year contract in the Weaver range. I hope the Angels stay away from that. If the Red Sox don't resign Naps then they may make a run at Trumbo.

[Chris]

Trumbo for Lackey.

[Scott34]

Keep waiting and we're going to end up with a rotation of Weaver, Wilson, Blanton, Richards, Shoemaker.

[KingJustinian]

It's the beginning of December and only a couple SP's have signed...

[Stradling]

Keep waiting and we're going to end up with a rotation of Weaver, Wilson, Blanton, Richards, Shoemaker.

Polly wanna a cracker

[jshep]

Keep waiting and we're going to end up with a rotation of Weaver, Wilson, Blanton, Richards, Shoemaker.

 

Hey that's not fair, they'll still be able to throw a dash of crappy reclamation projects no one else wants into the mix.

Edited December 6, 2013 by jshep

[bloodbrother]

Scott Baker wouldn't be a bad option at this stage. Probably get him on a cheap 1yr deal to.

[mtangelsfan]

Scott Baker.  First, he's been meh now for a couple of years.  Second, he's coming off of TJ surgery. 

 

Can we stop trying to get damaged goods and hope they work out please.

[Brent Maguire]

Scott Baker wouldn't be a bad option at this stage. Probably get him on a cheap 1yr deal to.

It's been a while since he's been a good pitcher. 

 

I thought he was a great buy low last offseason but I think we're putting ourselves in a bad spot if we count on anything from him. 

[xboom28x]

Prices should start to come down after the Winter Meetings. While we paid 25M per season for Hamilton, we did get him for only 5 years which was down from the expected 7-9 years most thought he would get.

 

January would be a good time to pick up a reclamation project by simply giving him a ST invite. Scott Baker may fit this category.

[bloodbrother]

Scott Baker.  First, he's been meh now for a couple of years.  Second, he's coming off of TJ surgery. 

 

Can we stop trying to get damaged goods and hope they work out please.

 

What's left? Yanks have a ton of money to spend with Cano gone and they'll be looking for pitching. Don't see the Halos getting an arm they want if the Yanks want him

 

at this stage it's looking like they need to look at the Baker types or guys who sucked looking to rebuild their value on a 1yr deal. Trading Kendrick or Trumbo would/should net them a #3-4 starter, but then that creates a hole on offense

[Mark68]

What's left? Yanks have a ton of money to spend with Cano gone and they'll be looking for pitching. Don't see the Halos getting an arm they want if the Yanks want him

 

at this stage it's looking like they need to look at the Baker types or guys who sucked looking to rebuild their value on a 1yr deal. Trading Kendrick or Trumbo would/should net them a #3-4 starter, but then that creates a hole on offense

The Yankees are in an interesting situation due to the whole A-Rod circus. They may not want to do too many more big contracts in case they have to pay him.

[Angel Oracle]

As much as Pujols' salary is, it's Hamilton's that's screwing up acquiring pitching. 

Imagine what that $25 million per year could have yielded in pitching.

[Stradling]

As much as Pujols' salary is, it's Hamilton's that's screwing up acquiring pitching.

Imagine what that $25 million per year could have yielded in pitching.

Sadly the answer is two and a half feldmans.

[Marsaka]

Prices should start to come down after the Winter Meetings. While we paid 25M per season for Hamilton, we did get him for only 5 years which was down from the expected 7-9 years most thought he would get.

 

January would be a good time to pick up a reclamation project by simply giving him a ST invite. Scott Baker may fit this category.

 

Yep, a win for Jerry and Arte only 5 years of dead weight from Hamilton instead of 7.

 

FYI, most people thought Hamilton would only get 3/30.  He wasn't worth that much and it looks like they were right.  

[red321]

Harang is this year's Blanton. Jerry is probably waiting for his price to come down to 2/15. I hate to see what ticket prices are going to be around baseball with these absurd contracts.

 

Tickets prices have very little to do with the contracts being handed out. It's the additional revenue from the big national broadcast deal and all these huge regional deals that teams are getting. There is more money than good players at this point.

[Stradling]

Yep, a win for Jerry and Arte only 5 years of dead weight from Hamilton instead of 7.

FYI, most people thought Hamilton would only get 3/30. He wasn't worth that much and it looks like they were right.

You are flat out wrong. No one thought Hamilton was only going to get 3 and $30 million.

[Second Base]

I'd do whatever's necessary to get Daniel Hudson in an Angels uniform, then sign a Halladay/Johan on an inceptive based deal and see what the Angels could get for Kendrick now that Cano's been dealt.  That is if they were being cost-minded.  If not, F it, just throw a bunch of money at Tanaka/Garza.

[HaloMilliVanilli]

Here's the bottom line for me.  The Angels and their fans need to be prepared to not make the playoffs next season and garner more early draft choices.  Sit tight and 1) Do not overpay for mediocrity or worse, and 2) Do not give away the #11 draft pick.  We are all in "immediate gratification" mode.  In order to be good long-term, sacrifices need to be made.  If we can generate a trade to improve ourselves long-term, we should do that.  If not, hold onto the pieces we have and see what value they have come July.  Wait until late December and into January and take advantage of players who have been left behind.

[mtangelsfan]

It's not the fans I worry about.  It's Arte and Dipoto.  They are the ones who keep passing the future for still losing in the present.