If Ellsbury got 7/153, then what is Trout going to cost?

[19HALO71]

I wonder what the collective Blood Pressure of the Angels FO is this morning. Seeing that Ellsbury just established the market for center fielders.

Edited December 4, 2013 by 19HALO71

[fatkook]

Trout should be the 1st 10/300 player in baseball

[YouthofToday]

Trout should be the 1st 10/300 player in baseball

If he continues at anything near this rate all 10/$300 will do is grant you a seat at the table. The winner will push those numbers up. He will only be 27 when he reaches free agency.

[Mark68]

Eleventy billion.

[fan_since79]

Make him a 17year/$500 million offer right now. You can backload the contract to some extent so it won't kill us up front. We still owe Pujols and Hamilton a ton of money for some years to come. 

Include a $5 million signing bonus, and start his salary at $5 million this year, increasing with each year. Make sure he's earning at least $25 million the year he would have reached free agency. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Stradling]

How does the luxury tax work? Is it your payroll on opening day? If so couldn't the Angels just tell Mike that on May 1st we will sign you to an extension that will pay you X amount of dollars, but won't hurt the luxury tax for this coming season?

[LightTheHalo]

I believe it is based on average annual value of the contract, so back loading doesn't help you with the luxury tax threshold.

[Ordos]

Eleventy billion.

Sounds like a steal. Do it.

[Stradling]

I believe it is based on average annual value of the contract, so back loading doesn't help you with the luxury tax threshold.

Yea I get that, but when is it calculated? I doubt it is an ongoing basis, I'm sure it has something to do with opening day or at some point in the middle of the season.

[Coachbulldog]

Follow up question: What do the Angels do if they approach Trout's agent to talk extension and are rebuffed with the message that Trout wants to be a free agent when his time up? Do they consider trading him? His value is never going to be any higher than it is right now. 

Edited December 4, 2013 by Coachbulldog

[Chimi]

I'm sure it's whatever they're paying the plate for that season. So if you sign it in May, it would have to start in the 2015 season.

I'm sure Vernon Wells is a huge reason Trout hasn't been extended. They're probably waiting for that money to free up before signing Trout to a mega contract.

[Chimi]

By the way, I think they will sign him for something like 8/$200MM. I doubt they will be able to get any more than 7 or 8 years out of a contract with him. That would set him up for another contract around his age 31 or 32 season.

[Stradling]

I have no problem giving him at 8 year contract.

[Angel Oracle]

A contract after 2014 for 7 years/$200 million sounds about right, assuming 2014 is like 2012-2013, given that he would only be age 23/24 to start it and age 29/30 the last season of it.   That allows him one more big contract starting at age 30/31.  

[wopphil]

Coach, I just can't imagine it would go down that way.  I highly doubt any agent or player would say "thanks, but no thanks."  At a minimum, they would say "give us an offer and let us consider."  If you then offer him too much to turn down, he won't reach free agency. 

[gotbeer]

Yea I get that, but when is it calculated? I doubt it is an ongoing basis, I'm sure it has something to do with opening day or at some point in the middle of the season.

 

A)  there is no luxury tax.  It's a competitive balance tax.

 it's ongoing.  salary for the year, and it's calculated at the end of the year.  It's also based on the 40 man roster.  So trades at the end of the season for one year expensive rentals will count the % they played on your team.  For instance, if you got Lee with 1/6 of the season left to play and didn't exchange money, the cap hit is $24 million for a full year.  But $4 million for the 1/6 of the season.  

[Inside Pitch]

John Harper â€@NYDNHarper37m

AL scout: "Why are people worried about the length of the Ellsbury contract? When he slows down the Yankees will be signing Trout anyway.''

[Brent Maguire]

I have no issue giving him 300 million over 10 years. If they go less years , then that's fine.

 

I just want Trout to be here until he's at least 30 years old. 

[m0nkey]

John Harper ‏@NYDNHarper37m

AL scout: "Why are people worried about the length of the Ellsbury contract? When he slows down the Yankees will be signing Trout anyway.''

So sad but so true

[19HALO71]

Im cool with it as long as we win 5-6 WS titles while he is here.

[Hubs]

Championships are the key to keeping Trout in an Angels uniform for his entire career.

 

I can see them signing Trout to an extension after this season, for all three of his arbitration years and then four free agent years. 

 

If he went one year at a time, he'd likely break all arbitration records, so you're looking like 15, 18, 20 Million in those three years. Something like 7/170 or 12/320 with an option for free agency after year 7.

[fan_since79]

I still say make him an Angel for life.

 

17 years/$500 million. Salary starts reasonably and accelerates through the life of the contract. The big payouts start after Hamilton is gone. Also, more than half of that contract will be after Pujols retires. Go ahead and make an historic splash, Arte. You won't regret it.

 

 

Oh, and no offseason basketball/snow-skiing/water-skiing/skydiving, etc activities for Mikey. That's a reasonable thing to demand for a half-billion dollar investment.

 

 

 

[Chimi]

A) there is no luxury tax. It's a competitive balance tax.

it's ongoing. salary for the year, and it's calculated at the end of the year. It's also based on the 40 man roster. So trades at the end of the season for one year expensive rentals will count the % they played on your team. For instance, if you got Lee with 1/6 of the season left to play and didn't exchange money, the cap hit is $24 million for a full year. But $4 million for the 1/6 of the season.

Yes, it's a luxury tax. MLB may call it something different but it's still a luxury tax.

[Spirit]

This is something I actually started thinking about back in August (when it was clear his rookie year was not fluke).  In fact, we discussed it a couple of times on the AngelsWin podcast.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think we need to pay him and pay him now.  Lock him up!  

 

Sure, we've had to monster contracts that really haven't worked out so well the last 2 years, but hey ... the 3rd times a charm!!!

[Angel Oracle]

I want to hear NO excuses on the money, given the new tv deal!