Jerome Williams non-tendered

[Inside Pitch]

 

 

Salas is a long relief guy.

 

 

Well, if he is -- he certainly hasn't been used that way.    He's pitched in 160 games the last three years and gone at least 2 innings less than 15 times.   I think he has fewer than 5 games where he's gone more than 2 innings during that span.

 

Hopefully he CAN be that guy cause Blanton leaves a great deal to be desired.

Edited December 3, 2013 by Inside Pitch

[tennischmp]

Jerome would have gotten over 4 million. Jepsen will get at most 1 million.

Angels needed to do this and I am glad they did. Jerome is worth league minimum at most.

Have you seen the going rates for SP this offseason?

[fan_since79]

Don't you mean Weaver, Wilson, Richards, Black hole of utter dispair, Black hole of utter dispair?

 

....or The Ace, The Nibbler, The Kid, and the aforementioned Black Holes.

 

Wonderful.

Edited December 3, 2013 by fan_since79

[Torridd]

I'm against this before looking at one message.

[Torridd]

and Dipoto made it seem like it was a no-brainer to tender Jepsen.

 

Make it be known...this is the first bad thing ive said about Dipoto lol

This and getting Blanton. Other than that I have no problem with him.

[gotbeer]

It would be funny, if the Angels got more desperate than they are now, and brought back Williams at 3/$21 million.  

[Angel Oracle]

Am I the only one who thinks it's crazy that Jepsen still has options left, even after being in this org for 11.5 seasons?  

Just deal him, and put him out of our misery.

Edited December 3, 2013 by Angel Oracle

[VariousCrap]

Jerome would have gotten over 4 million.  Jepsen will get at most 1 million.

 

Angels needed to do this and I am glad they did.  Jerome is worth league minimum at most.

 

 

 

Agreed 100%.

[mtangelsfan]

I'm pretty sure he will prove you guys wrong when he gets a contract for much more than league minimum.  "Worth" is a meaningless term when it comes to professional sports athelete pay

[VariousCrap]

He may get more because of the market, but he won't be worth it.  He is a C- pitcher at best.

[mtangelsfan]

Isn't worth determined by the market?  Seems petty to downplay him now.

 

Regardless, he will get paid more that league minimum. 

 

Not to mention, he has been much, much better than Jepsen.

Edited December 3, 2013 by mtangelsfan

[Chuck]

Isn't worth determined by the market?  Seems petty to downplay him now.

 

Regardless, he will get paid more that league minimum. 

 

Not to mention, he has been much, much better than Jepsen.

 

His numbers were on par with Phi Hughes, yet almost everyone here wanted him and was pissed that Dipoto didn't jump at the opportunity.

 

I think Jerome will do well in this market. Opinions from fans may very on his upside or worth, but I think he's a valuable guy to have on the team.

[jshep]

He'll get more than league minimum, but I doubt he'll get much interest as more than a swingman for someone.

Edited December 3, 2013 by jshep

[nate]

MT, what he is worth to another team and the Angels are two different things.  No way the Angels can pay an emergency SP/Long Relief RHP with mediocre stuff 4.5 million a year.

[Hubs]

Jerome was a good journeyman pitcher. I think they should've tendered him, if they planned on getting in on bidding for Tanaka, as an insurance police. Without him, this means that Blanton is pretty much guaranteed a spot on the team either as the long man, or the fifth starter. 

[Stradling]

Hubs, I think the contract that Blanton signed last year basically guaranteed he would have a spot on the team. However, like I said before, I could see him being traded during spring training with the Angels picking up about $5 million of his deal. Remember, Dipoto got someone to take on quite a bit of Vernon Wells deal and also was able to trade Jeff Mathis for a warm human body.

[Brandon]

Jerome will get more then league minimum. Hope he gets a #5 gig somewhere.

[Inside Pitch]

His numbers were on par with Phi Hughes, yet almost everyone here wanted him and was pissed that Dipoto didn't jump at the opportunity.

 

 

So you're saying that Jerome Williams is a slightly worse version of Matt Garza?  Because, people with a clue know to look beyond ERA and at the stats that show what the pitcher himself is doing without the aid of his defense and home park.   Based on THAT criteria -- Phil Hughes is Matt Garza light, and JW would be Phil Hughes light -- the K rate is off by a bit.

 

I wouldn't pay Jerome Williams the upwards of 70-75 million you would be willing to pay Matt Garza -- but it wouldnt surprise me one bit to see a team offer 2 years 8 mil to sign him.  

Edited December 3, 2013 by Inside Pitch

[Inside Pitch]

MT, what he is worth to another team and the Angels are two different things.  No way the Angels can pay an emergency SP/Long Relief RHP with mediocre stuff 4.5 million a year.

 

JW has value -- I agree there is a bit of a bias against paying bigger money to a long man, but it wouldn't surprise me to see JW get a 2 year deal in the open market

[mtangelsfan]

There is a lot of value in a guy who can go in the pen and then start a few games and then help out in the pen again.  Not a lot of guys can do that. 

 

I sure hope he gets a great contract someplace.

[Chuck]

So you're saying that Jerome Williams is a slightly worse version of Matt Garza?  Because, people with a clue know to look beyond ERA and at the stats that show what the pitcher himself is doing without the aid of his defense and home park.   Based on THAT criteria -- Phil Hughes is Matt Garza light, and JW would be Phil Hughes light -- the K rate is off by a bit.

 

I wouldn't pay Jerome Williams the upwards of 70-75 million you would be willing to pay Matt Garza -- but it wouldnt surprise me one bit to see a team offer 2 years 8 mil to sign him.  

 

 

and herein lies the issue with stats, you can compare JW, Hughes and Garza using these new metrics, though Garza has proven he's an example of consistency between the three, providing 7 straight seasons with an ERA under 4 in the American League. That is well above average and deserving of more money and years.

[nate]

I don't understand how paying 4.5 million for an emergency SP makes sense when we have a need for two SP and a slim budget.

[Inside Pitch]

and herein lies the issue with stats, you can compare JW, Hughes and Garza using these new metrics, though Garza has proven he's an example of consistency between the three, providing 7 straight seasons with an ERA under 4 in the American League. That is well above average and deserving of more money and years.

 

There is nothing new about H/9, HR/9, BB/9 or K/9 -- those have been around forever.

 

Matt Garza had the luxury of pitching in TB, a noted pitchers park -- in front of good defenses.  In Texas, the H/9 went up, the HR/9 went up, meanwhile his BB/9 and K/9 remained static..   Interesting how that worked out isn't it?

 

Park effects are real.

[Erstad Grit]

As much as I love JW I get this move. Blanton will be the new swing man and we can't have two making 12-13 million. 

[mtangelsfan]

Except Blanton is an abomination on the mound.  Children wail and women weep when he pitches.  He should not be pitching, swinging or anything else for the Angels.  If he is anything other than last guy on the bench for this staff the off season was a disaster.