Colon & Aroyo

[AngelArcher]

Signing Colon makes the whole team better. Wink wink.

[Tank]

Great, we can be the oldest team in the league and still have the crappiest farm system in baseball.

That would be both impressive and pathetic to an unprecedented level.

[gotbeer]

hughes ? might as well try blanton again

 

i wouldn't mind colon

 

Hughes actually isn't as far out there as people might think.  

 

He had a bad 1.46 WHIP/5.19 ERA last season.  He's a career 1.32 WHIP/4.54 ERA.

 

but his home road splits were home 6.32 ERA/1.55 WHIP to a 3.88 eRA/1.36 WHIP.  Last 3 years home 5.35 ERA/1.39 WHIP vs a road 4.34 ERA/1.35 WHIP.  Safe to say, he doesn't like pitching in NY.

 

Bad thing is, in the last 3 years, in the one game he started at Angels stadium.  And he got rocked.  So not sure if his home #'s would improve here or not.  

 

I personally think he's right around a plan R.  But I think as people start signing, his name might start to pop up around the league.

[gotbeer]

Because it uses up all of our resources and doesn't give us anything we need long term.  

 

Unfortunately I don't think trading will help the farm in the long run either.  Drafting the right players, signing the right internationals, and not trading prospects on a consistent basis is the only thing that will help the farm in the long run.  

[Chuck]

I've already gone on record to say I'd love to sign Colon to a 1 year deal with option for a second year. The most I'd do is a 2 year deal with a team option.

 

Colon has been one of the better pitchers in baseball for the past two years. He'll give us good innings, tons of QS's and because of the innings he'll give us, it will help our bullpen over the course of the entire season.

 

We got SHIT last year as far as good innings from Blanton and Hanson, even our fill-in guys struggled. The Angels were out of the game by the 2nd-4th innings too many times in 2013.

[nikkachez]

It's doubtful the Angels really have any moral high ground, but I'd hate it if the Angels signed that cheater Colon.  As for Arroyo, he'd get shelled in the AL and will end up being paid about 5-10 million more each year than he's actually worth.  I say no to both.  I'd rather see the Angels sign Hughes or Kuroda then either of them. 

Not giving up a draft pick for a guy who will pitch 1 or two years here, period. 

[Taylor]

Just twitter reports saying we are interested in both. I can't decide which one I'd rather not have.

 

Fixed.

[jshep]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covering_the_Bases

 

 

As long as Arroyo doesn't subject us to something like this again.....

[Cdaniel]

And I'm telling you, we might be able to get Arroyo and Colon and Howell for the price of Garza and Howell.

Add into it, Colon will be a one year deal, Arroyo probably a 3 year deal, where Garza may require a 5+ year deal.

I'll take my chances with the shorter deals, and try and get a FA pitcher when true #1 types are on the market.

You're probably right. Maybe I'm being short sided with my thinking. Not sure if want Colon though because of his connection to PED's.

[CardsFanVegas]

I think either option would improve the Halo's rotation and cheaper than the other choices.

 

Garza is a nice option, but I think the Angels need that draft pick. 

[Cdaniel]

Garza doesn't cost a pick

[Cdaniel]

I might want Hughes instead of Colon.

[CardsFanVegas]

Garza doesn't cost a pick

 

Ah you are right.   He was traded mid-season. 

 

Still I think he is probably too expensive for what this team should be trying to do.  I doubt he gets less than 5 years.

[Cdaniel]

Yeah. Gotbeer brought up a good point about the years and money and getting locked in. I'm on board with Arroyo and Hughes if we sign 2 FA pitchers.

[JAHV76]

I think Colon will have a crappy year.

[Mark68]

If it's a choice between the two, I choose Colon...for no more than two years.

 

I just don't like the idea of Arroyo Blantonizing the rotation even further.

[Cdaniel]

What starting pitchers are available that don't require giving up draft picks besides Arroyo, Garza, Hughes and Colon?

[Mark68]

Halladay
Kazmir
Capuano
Lannan
Scott Baker
Bedard
Burnett
Bruce Chen
Feldman
Floyd
Francis
Freddy Garcia
Garland
Gaudin
Hammel
Haren
Harang
Roberto Hernandez
Jurrjens
Karstens
Lilly
Maholm
Marcum
Marquis

Matsuzaka
Messenger
Niemann
Nolasco
O'Sullivan
Oswalt
Pelfrey
Reynolds
Richard
Santana
Saunders
Vogelsong
Volquez
Wada
Walters
Wang
Westbook
Suk-min Yoon
Zito

It's an underwhelming list.

Edited November 25, 2013 by Mark68

[Cdaniel]

Thank you sir

[jshep]

Honestly, I would still like to see if we can add a guy who's not a short term fix to the rotation, but I wouldn't mind Colon in addition to that at all.

 

Significantly less enthusiastic about Arroyo.

[Stradling]

I'd take Colon and maybe go after a guy like Hellickson assuming he passes a physical.

[Cdaniel]

Is Hellickson a FA?

[Stradling]

I thought he was

[Cdaniel]

Never mind. What do you think it would take to get Hellickson?

[Cdaniel]

So it looks like Hellickson has 3yrs worth of control left. What would it take to grab him from TB? His K's per 9 have been going up and his walks per 9 have gone down. I know they need a 1b but I don't know if I want to trade Trumbo now. Era and whip has increased as well