Colon & Aroyo

[Cdaniel]

My brother says we are in on both. I don't see it happening without making trades and if we are making trades than why aren't we trading for pitching. Has anyone heard anything about the Angels signing both Colon and Arroyo?

[Brent Maguire]

Yup brought this up in the other thread talking about the rotation. 

 

http://www.angelswin-forum.com/forums/topic/8909-2014-rotation/page-2

[Stradling]

Just twitter reports saying we are interested in both. I can't decide which one I'd rather have.

[mancini79]

NOOOOO on Colon. It's a matter of time til he gets caught and faces a 100 game suspension. I will lose a lot of faith in the FO if he gets signed.

[Cdaniel]

My brother made it sound like it wasn't a matter of which one but signing both.

[Stradling]

For me it's based on years and $$$.

[mtangelsfan]

Great, we can be the oldest team in the league and still have the crappiest farm system in baseball.

[Stradling]

Yes that's the goal Mr. Positive. You understand signing one of them doesn't mean they can't trade for another young arm right? How many young free agent pitchers are available? Would you rather have Hellickson or Hughes? They are younger they just aren't as good.

[Cdaniel]

I'd rather use that money it would cost for arroyo and colon on Garza and Howell. Then we trade for a #3 or #4. I don't care for Garza or his chin pubes but he would be a solid addition and won't cost a draft pick.

[Stradling]

They won't sign both. If they do sign both then the luxury tax isn't the issue we thought it would be. Or they will trade Aybar/Howie for the biggest package of minor leaguers.

[mtangelsfan]

Yes that's the goal Mr. Positive. You understand signing one of them doesn't mean they can't trade for another young arm right? How many young free agent pitchers are available? Would you rather have Hellickson or Hughes? They are younger they just aren't as good.

 

except they are saying we are going after both mr. team player.  Why are we just going for just one to two years, instead of trying to make us better long term?  That is how this team was good for the first decade of this century.

[gotbeer]

I'd rather use that money it would cost for arroyo and colon on Garza and Howell. Then we trade for a #3 or #4. I don't care for Garza or his chin pubes but he would be a solid addition and won't cost a draft pick.

 

I believe Colon and Arroyo won't cost a draft pick either.

[Cdaniel]

I believe Colon and Arroyo won't cost a draft pick either.

Right, but wouldn't you rather have Garza and Howell than Arroyo and Colon?

[gotbeer]

Right, but wouldn't you rather have Garza and Howell than Arroyo and Colon?

 

For the price.  I think Arroyo and Colon might be had for the same price as Garza.  Garza won't cost a draft pick, and is ranked in the tops of the FA starting pitching.  

[Angel Oracle]

MT is right on. Angry Arte's Steinbrenner ways got us into this mess, and compound that with yes a lack of foreign presence, and you get a very mediocre org relying on questionable quick fixes.

[Cdaniel]

For the price. I think Arroyo and Colon might be had for the same price as Garza. Garza won't cost a draft pick, and is ranked in the tops of the FA starting pitching.

Let's say we could get Garza and Howell for the cost of Arroyo and Colon, which pair would you want?

[Stradling]

Ok so don't sign any free agent pitching and make trades for multiple club controlled pitchers?

[mtangelsfan]

To me that would be a much better direction to go, or at least just acquire one older and then use some trade pieces to get some young arms that are only a season or two away.  Now we are just being so short sighted.

[gotbeer]

Let's say we could get Garza and Howell for the cost of Arroyo and Colon, which pair would you want?

 

And I'm telling you, we might be able to get Arroyo and Colon and Howell for the price of Garza and Howell.  

 

Add into it, Colon will be a one year deal, Arroyo probably a 3 year deal, where Garza may require a 5+ year deal.  

 

I'll take my chances with the shorter deals, and try and get a FA pitcher when true #1 types are on the market.  

[Cdaniel]

I say we sign Garza and Howell an trade for a cost controlled pitcher. Thats just me though.

[Second Base]

It's doubtful the Angels really have any moral high ground, but I'd hate it if the Angels signed that cheater Colon.  As for Arroyo, he'd get shelled in the AL and will end up being paid about 5-10 million more each year than he's actually worth.  I say no to both.  I'd rather see the Angels sign Hughes or Kuroda then either of them. 

[gotbeer]

Kuroda has repeatedly said, he will either play for the Yankees, or retire/go back to Japan to finish up his career.  

[HaloNation]

It's doubtful the Angels really have any moral high ground, but I'd hate it if the Angels signed that cheater Colon.  As for Arroyo, he'd get shelled in the AL and will end up being paid about 5-10 million more each year than he's actually worth.  I say no to both.  I'd rather see the Angels sign Hughes or Kuroda then either of them. 

hughes ? might as well try blanton again

 

i wouldn't mind colon

[Stradling]

To me that would be a much better direction to go, or at least just acquire one older and then use some trade pieces to get some young arms that are only a season or two away. Now we are just being so short sighted.

Mt I'm not against what you propose, but what's the harm in signing multiple veterans as long as it doesn't cost us a pick? Then turn around and work on replenishing the farm with a Howie or Aybar trade. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to see if I can agree with you. I see no issue signing multiple vets if it doesn't cost us a pick and allows us to somewhat compete.

[mtangelsfan]

Because it uses up all of our resources and doesn't give us anything we need long term.