Royals to sign Jason Vargas

[jshep]

Price

Crossing fingers here

 

We're not getting David Price.

[bloodbrother]

Can we bump this when we have blanton starting for us. 14 mil one year is not a bad deal.

 

It is for a pitcher of Vargas caliber and the team already right up near the luxury tax. They are already overpaying for marginal production at certain spots, no need to add another one to the mix

[Oz27]

We're not getting David Price.

You mean they're not going to take JB Shuck and David Carpenter for him?

 

Shit, time for Plan B.

[gotbeer]

LOL.

 

Reactions To The Jason Vargas Signing

[Troll Daddy]

We're not getting David Price.

 

Thanks Dipoto ... hopefully the Dodgers or Rangers will snag him instead.

[jshep]

Thanks Dipoto ... hopefully the Dodgers or Rangers will snag him instead.

 

You're welcome.

[Troll Daddy]

Looks like Vargas would of accepted a 1yr/14.1M offer from the Angels. That would of been a big overpay ... Dipoto made the right move after all. Too much of a gamble for a sandwich pick.

Edited November 22, 2013 by Troll Daddy

[Troll Daddy]

You're welcome.

 

You never know what to expect in the off season. Crazier things have happened.

[SoWhat]

I'd love to get Samardzija. I wonder if a 3 team trade with the Padres and Cubs would work.

Angels: Samardzija, Russell

Cubs: Wisler, Sampson, and Conger (long coveted by Epstein)

Padres: Trumbo, Grichuk

[Mark68]

The 4th year of a contract with an AAV of $8 million is not a big deal.

 

I do wonder if Vargas would have taken a shorter deal with a higher AAV to stay, somewhere in the 3/$30 million neighborhood. It would have been a not unreasonable deal.

[wopphil]

I'd love to get Samardzija. I wonder if a 3 team trade with the Padres and Cubs would work.

Angels: Samardzija, Russell

Cubs: Wisler, Sampson, and Conger (long coveted by Epstein)

Padres: Trumbo, Grichuk

Please explain to me the love for Samardzija. I would argue that he might be the most overrated player in all of MLB.

[Brent Maguire]

Actually he would be making 18 million less. If I am not mistaken 32> 14

Vargas could've accepted the QO, made 14 mil this year and still land a big deal next offseason. So that logic doesn't necessarily make sense.

[Brent Maguire]

Please explain to me the love for Samardzija. I would argue that he might be the most overrated player in all of MLB.

Great K/9 rate, not terrible walk rate, does a decent job of keeping the ball in the yard and he wouldn't cost much in terms of his contact. He'd also eat a lot of innings for us. Would love to have him as our #3 next year.

[Inside Pitch]

Its going to be interesting to see if Vargas can keep his numbers close to where they have been while no longer being afforded the safety net that was Safeco or Angels Stadium.

Career OPS allowed over 825, and an ERA over 5.00 in KC.

[Hollyw00d]

order your 2014 season tickets today!

they've assembled a team for the ages

[SoWhat]

Great K/9 rate, not terrible walk rate, does a decent job of keeping the ball in the yard and he wouldn't cost much in terms of his contact. He'd also eat a lot of innings for us. Would love to have him as our #3 next year.

Also has a solid GB%

 

 

Last year was his second full season as a starter, he hasn't even reached his potential yet. Going forward, he should be a solid #2 

[VariousCrap]

It would've been HILARIOUS to see Vargas accept the QO and then rounding out the rotation with Blanton and Shoemaker.  Seriously people, good move to let him go.

 

 

Agreed.  I would have like to have Vargas as our #4 for a three year deal, but to have had him for one year at 14 million would have been a mistake.

[Docwaukee]

Please explain to me the love for Samardzija. I would argue that he might be the most overrated player in all of MLB.

I agree. 

 

Just like some guys peripherals are better than their actual performance, his are the opposite.  If he were a free agent, I'd be willing to consider him in the rotation.  Just not excited about giving up talent to get him.  That and the cubs aren't likely to want guys in arb or older and I sure as hell wouldn't give up anything from our depleted farm to get him. 

[Docwaukee]

I agree that it was a good move to let him go.  If he's worth 8 per then we should be able to find someone even better for less than 14mil.  Even if it take 2-3 years to get them. 

 

In my experience, these 4yr deals to SP seem to blow up more often than they work.  

[70runner]

they've assembled a team for of the ages

 

fify

[stormngt]

Vargas could've accepted the QO, made 14 mil this year and still land a big deal next offseason. So that logic doesn't necessarily make sense.

I am always amused how people think good health is guaranteed year to year. 32 million guaranteed for four years is better than 14 million guaranteed for 1. Had Vargas taken th QO he would only be better ofvif hevpitches well and stays healthy. Athletes know they are one blown shoulder away from retirement.

[arch stanton]

The board has been pretty fixated on Vargas and I like the idea of a second lefty in the rotation but is there really that big of a difference between him and any one of Arroyo,  Nolasco, Hughes, Hammel, Baker, or the ex-Angels like Haren, Saunders, Kazmir? And I'm talking about a 4 slot guy assuming they'll still pull a trade for someone else.

[Scott34]

The board has been pretty fixated on Vargas and I like the idea of a second lefty in the rotation but is there really that big of a difference between him and any one of Arroyo, Nolasco, Hughes, Hammel, Baker, or the ex-Angels like Haren, Saunders, Kazmir? And I'm talking about a 4 slot guy assuming they'll still pull a trade for someone else.

Exactly.

[ispy45]

I am always amused how people think good health is guaranteed year to year. 32 million guaranteed for four years is better than 14 million guaranteed for 1. Had Vargas taken th QO he would only be better ofvif hevpitches well and stays healthy. Athletes know they are one blown shoulder away from retirement.

He would have taken the QO no doubt about it.

 

1. Vargas and agent have an idea what range they could receive on the market.Most of the Major League had him at 8 million per year.

2. Another reason for Vargas to accept QO is to be part of the free agent class of 2015 where the cost of pitching will rise. Knowing if he succeeds in 2014, he will have another raise knowing clubs will find him as one of the best bargains on the pitching market for 2015.

Edited November 22, 2013 by ispy45

[ispy45]

Vargas likes to feel comfortable and at home with a team.  It's just his personality.  He pitches better when he has that kind of atmosphere, too.  VERY superstitious and OCD, even for a pro athlete.  Jumping from team to team based only on 1-year contracts would probably have an adverse effect on his pitching, and maybe even end up costing him money by the time he's in his mid 30s. 

Huh?? I am not sure what you are saying. Based upon your theory, he would still sign with Angels because he played the 2013 season with them.