Tigers trade Prince Fielder for Ian Kinsler

[Brent Maguire]

I think anybody using WAR to evaluate a player or a trade needs to get their head examined.

Really dude?

Nobody is only using WAR as a stat to judge this trade. However, if there's one stat that gives you a general idea is how good a player is, it's WAR.

And the stat isn't a lazy way to judge a player. It uses multiple stats to come to the final number, which is why it's used so much now.

[CaliAngel]

[Agalloch]

Lol, awesome.

[Mark68]

So you are saying his divorce only affected one part of his game? How convenient.

Are you serious?

 

How much of Fielder's value is his defense, normally?

[Troll Daddy]

Really dude?

Nobody is only using WAR as a stat to judge this trade. However, if there's one stat that gives you a general idea is how good a player is, it's WAR.

And the stat isn't a lazy way to judge a player. It uses multiple stats to come to the final number, which is why it's used so much now.

 

 

Why not look at the individual stats then ... unless you're lazy. Like you said ... it gives you a general idea and could be misleading.

Edited November 22, 2013 by Troll Daddy

[disarcina]

^{Fielder may hit 60 Homeruns at Arlington.}

[gotbeer]

Dodgers lose Shawn Tolleson to Rangers, plus 40-man & Rule 5 Draft

[ten ocho recon scout]

Great trade for the Rangers. Dumb trade for the Tigers if you ask me, Kinsler's slash line has been crap, and he's obviously helped out by hitting in Arlington.

thata pretty much my take. I get that it saves them a ton of money.if they needed the flexibility, I get it. But I think they downgraded on the field.

[YouthofToday]

Being lazy to use stats when eviction a player = RBIs, pitcher wins & others.

Nobody in MLB only uses their internal WAR stat.

[Brent Maguire]

Why not look at the individual stats then ... unless you're lazy. Like you said ... it gives you a general idea and could be misleading.

Because the idea of WAR is giving an overall picture. It very well can be misleading which or why nobody uses just WAR to evaluate players.

Using WAR and other individual statistics is a great way to look at guys. Looking at one or the other isn't the way to do it.

[m0nkey]

Nobody can see every at-bat and defensive play a player could potentially be involved in.  To evaluate players' performances, people a lot smarter than us developed a formula to determine the value of a player.  Yes it's not perfect, but it gives a better idea than runs and rbi's.  

 

And in before some nimrod says rbi's and runs are the most important thing to evaluate a player's value

[Mudville]

In before some nimrod says runs and rbis are a false stat.

[KingJustinian]

Dave Cameron is usually a reasonable person but seems convinced that Fielder is done (what?) after one down year which is just silly.

 

Like the majority of people on this board with our players.

Edited November 22, 2013 by KingJustinian

[Hollyw00d]

WAR is a accumulation of stats and a lazy man's way of evaluating a player. It doesn't account for intangibles and a in depth look at the individual stats that a GM might be looking for in a player.

intangibles don't win games. performance on the field does.

[Troll Daddy]

intangibles don't win games. performance on the field does.

Intangibles are part of the game FYI .

[Troll Daddy]

On a side note ... Fielder could of blocked the trade but is looking forward to playing in the heat for the Rangers.

I predict a strong year for him.

[YouthofToday]

Did Lincecum intangible skillset declining? Is that why the Giants sucked last year.

Sign Tim Tebow now. He's a winner. That what he does. He wins. We need his intangibles to win.

[Mark68]

Did Lincecum intangible skillset declining? Is that why the Giants sucked last year.

Sign Tim Tebow now. He's a winner. That what he does. He wins. We need his intangibles to win.

Buster Posey's iWAR (Intangible Wins Above Replacement) fell significantly last year. He's in obvious decline.

[YouthofToday]

Buster Posey's iWAR (Intangible Wins Above Replacement) fell significantly last year. He's in obvious decline.

iWAR -- absolutely love it.

For the record Mike Napoli's iWAR was awesome last year. Jeff Mathis's was off.

How else can we explain why Boston won the World Series and Miami totally sucked? Ignore talent -- focus only on the intangibles apparently.

[sneaky_flute]

I think the whole "fat body" thing has been exaggerated. dude looks delicious under this shirt (no homo)

 

[Stradling]

(Yes homo)

[JAHV76]

Is that sneaky or skin flute?

[Mark68]

(Yes homo)

Homo sapiens or homo erectus?

[Mudville]

Homologous, Prince and that guy are related.