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Offseason 2014: The Ultimate Winter of Trade Porn


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Yuck. I'm not a fan of Kyle Kendrick. 

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barfola.  I'd rather Trade trumbo for a package that includes a AA starter with high upside than a guy who'll be 30 mid season that slots to the back of the rotation.  I'd rather the halos take on Cliff Lee's salary.  I'd rather they just keep him.  I'd rather eat sesame chicken from a restaurant next door to large veterinarian clinic. 

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If it were me, I'd tender Hanson and see what he does in relief.  Could turn into a setup man.  At worst he'd be a swingman with upside.  I'd non-tender Williams mostly because I think Shoemaker and Roth could be better, younger, less expensive options.  As for Volstad, keep him in AAA as depth.  

 

And I too believe Richards is going to solidify himself as a solid #3 SP next season.  180+ innings, ERA under 3.75. 

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That is nice to hear that Kingham has 3 solid pitches, and can hit 95. 

His control was solid until he reached AA in the 2nd half of 2013, maybe due to nerves being in an advanced league at age 21?   His K's have climbed to being 1/inning this past season.   He doesn't allow many HRs or hits. 

 

He's also 22 today, Happy B-Day!

There can be a number of reasons why he has stumbled. I think its more about those dudes in AA, they can flat out hit. And most of them love the fast ball. It's how he adjusts that means everything.  

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Undoubtedly you've read countless articles already on what someone believes the Angels will do this offseason.  I won't try to convince you this article is any different.  It's just me guessing what I think the Angels will do.  Give it a read.  (Keep in mind, not what I'd do, it's what I think THEY will do)

 

http://www.monkeywithahalo.com/2013-articles/november/la-angels-off-season-trade-porn-and-predictions.html

Thanks for the good read. This is my take on you thoughts.

 

1. There is a possibility Williams will take a very friendly club salary to stay on. However, I think that offer will be contingent on whether or not they can work a deal with Hanson.

 

2. This is where I think the Angels could make their biggest statement. Realizing the mistake for what it was, and could still be, making the move to cut bait with Blanton would be in the best interest of the team. He really is that bad! Not confident they'll do it, but I think it would be worth it in the long run.

 

3. I believe Hanson will be tendered and put in long relief. He has already shown himself to be reasonable when it comes to valuing himself, and like you said, will fit nicely into what this team needs most.  

 

4. I agree, no way on Tanaka. We've splashed about enough, time to relax a bit.

 

5. No way have they traded Trumbo for a minor league pitcher, no matter the up side. If he goes, it will be in a bundle for major league tested talent. I could see some sort of package with the Cardinals.

 

6. You think the Orioles are going to trade their current #1 SP for Howie Kendrick? The Orioles have Schoop in the wings; they don’t need Kendrick as bad as you think they do. Careful, I see a bit of homerism shining through.

 

7. Trading Green at this stage would fetch us nothing and trading Eric Stamets does the Cardinals no good, they need a shortstop now. You can bet if they are going to trade their #2 or 3 pitcher, it will be for a legitimate major league tested shortstop, and then some. I think Bourjos and Aybar would be too much to give for Kelly and Freese. But who knows, stranger things have happened. Haha, Jepsen. The Cardinals would snicker and say thanks, but no thanks.

 

8. Just what the Angels need, another washed up player by name alone. By far the dumbest move on the planet. If Dipoto acquires Young for whatever reason, he should be shown the door immediately. Your reasoning for getting Young is the best reason to not trade Trumbo just yet. Trumbo is the best insurance for an injured Albert and makes for a decent combination of Trumbo, Hamilton, and Albert as they take turns at DH, RF, and 1B. Come the trade deadline, Trumbo might just be what we need to gain some depth for the second half finish.

 

9. Signing a good reliever. This thought makes the most sense to me. What you have listed wouldn’t be a killer contract and it suffices a real need. This (or something similar to it) is what this team needs to do. I really like the idea of Frieri not closing next year.

 

I’m not sure why you put the emphasis on So Cal as being an attractive location when it comes to acquiring players? I enjoyed reading your analysis leading up to your guesses. Although, I’m not sure I agreed fully with much of your trade ideas. I know, shocker. I will say however, you could very well be spot on. God only knows what crazy moves this and other teams will make this offseason.  

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You should take a closer look at the O's depth chart.  The O's have Gonzalez, Tillman, Norris, Chen and Gausman already lined up for next year, plus the possibility of giving Matusz an actual shot in the rotation.  Not to mention Dylan Bundy will return sometime around the ASB, Eduardo Rodriguez is a year away and they'll be in the bidding for Tanaka and they've already had talks with Feldman and Tuyoshi Wada.  This is an organization with pitching depth that's looking for offense. 

 

You should also take another look at the Cards depth chart.  Kelly's most certainly not their #2 or even #3 SP. They have Wainwright, Miller, Wacha, Lynn, Garcia, Kelly and have already expressed interest in converting Trevor Rosenthal and Carlos Martinez back into starters, where they belong. 

 

Kelly's their 5th starter when Garcia's hurt which makes him #6 on their depth chart, but with Rosenthal and Martinez on their way to the rotation, this likely makes Kelly their 8th SP.  

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If the Red Sox don’t re-sign Mike Napoli, the 27-year-old Mark Trumbo will be on their list of players to pursue. Trumbo, who would come at half Napoli’s price, is under club control until after the 2017 season and boasts tremendous right-handed power. The Angels could use a third baseman and a pitcher and Cafardo wonders if Will Middlebrooks and Felix Doubront might suit them. The Pirates and Rays could also be fits for the Halos slugger.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/10/monitoring-baseball-meetings/8gNuNfkHk9L46xuJ0lzaeL/story.html

I don't like Doubront. There's a lot of guys that are capable of putting up his numbers or better.

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If the Red Sox don’t re-sign Mike Napoli, the 27-year-old Mark Trumbo will be on their list of players to pursue. Trumbo, who would come at half Napoli’s price, is under club control until after the 2017 season and boasts tremendous right-handed power. The Angels could use a third baseman and a pitcher and Cafardo wonders if Will Middlebrooks and Felix Doubront might suit them. The Pirates and Rays could also be fits for the Halos slugger.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/10/monitoring-baseball-meetings/8gNuNfkHk9L46xuJ0lzaeL/story.html

I don't like Doubront. There's a lot of guys that are capable of putting up his numbers or better.

Nor am I a fan of Middlebrooks. That trade would be terrible.

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I think if the Red Sox were to add in Matt Barnes, Allen Webster or Henry Owens then I'd consider that deal.  As it stands, probably not.  Middlebrooks was overrated as a prospect and rushed to the big leagues out necessity.  He'll likely be a .250 hitter with 20-25 HR's and below average defense.  I feel like the Angels could get similar offensive output from Grant Green (.280 30 DB 10 HR with questionable D) or similar overall value (.250 30 DB 10 HR with good D) from Luis Jimenez.  Neither are as good as Middlebrooks but neither as so bad that it'd necessitate trading Trumbo for Middlebrooks either. 

 

Doubront's pretty solid but his performance will never match his actual potential because he makes way too many mistakes.  He's a 5th starter who I'd consider a slight step above Michael Roth.  So if they'd add a legitimate Top 100 pitching prospect in AA or above then yeah, I'd take that deal.  Otherwise no thank you.  

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I'm pretty ok with not spending our trade chips on a 3bman with question marks ie guys that have underperformed looking to rebound or guys with questionable upside.  So to me, it's not worth acquiring Headley, Middlebrooks, or Freese when a Grant Green and Eric Chavez could get us slightly less production for no cost in talent given up.  Every available resource needs to go to pitching imo. 

 

we actually might match up with Boston pretty well depending on whether they bring back Napoli and what their plans are for Bradley and Bogaerts.  The do have a few pitchers who could be of interest. 

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If the Red Sox don’t re-sign Mike Napoli, the 27-year-old Mark Trumbo will be on their list of players to pursue. Trumbo, who would come at half Napoli’s price, is under club control until after the 2017 season and boasts tremendous right-handed power. The Angels could use a third baseman and a pitcher and Cafardo wonders if Will Middlebrooks and Felix Doubront might suit them. The Pirates and Rays could also be fits for the Halos slugger.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/10/monitoring-baseball-meetings/8gNuNfkHk9L46xuJ0lzaeL/story.html

I don't like Doubront. There's a lot of guys that are capable of putting up his numbers or better.

Replace Doubront with Matt Barnes and I'd do that.

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Yeah Doc, I mean if it were me personally, I'd LOVE to see Grant Green and Luis Jimenez in our starting lineup next season.  Is it really any coincidence this team started winning when Green, Lucho and Calhoun were playing everyday?  Sure, it coincided with the pitching staff getting healthy, but those guys brought a completely different energy to this team.  They seemed stale before those guys arrived and were playing everyday.  

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Yeah Doc, I mean if it were me personally, I'd LOVE to see Grant Green and Luis Jimenez in our starting lineup next season.  Is it really any coincidence this team started winning when Green, Lucho and Calhoun were playing everyday?  Sure, it coincided with the pitching staff getting healthy, but those guys brought a completely different energy to this team.  They seemed stale before those guys arrived and were playing everyday.  

 

Calhoun definitely helped the team. Jimenez and his .608 OPS at the hot corner? Not so much. Green may have helped a little, but he was only slightly above league average offensively (105 OPS+). Defensively, the numbers don't paint a very flattering picture. Overall, he was not a difference-maker.

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Green's certainly still looking for his position, but he definitely has the natural athletic ability to find it, it's not like he's confined to the corner OF.  We're not talking about a flash in the pan or career minor leaguer here.  He was a Top 100 prospect and scouts never doubted his ability.  He's succeeded at every minor league stop and he probably wouldn't have been promoted unless talent evaluators saw him becoming passable at some position, whatever that may be. I'm confident he'll become a passable 2B or 3B and with the way he can swing the bat, I'm sure he'll have a long major league career. 

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Green's certainly still looking for his position, but he definitely has the natural athletic ability to find it, it's not like he's confined to the corner OF.  We're not talking about a flash in the pan or career minor leaguer here.  He was a Top 100 prospect and scouts never doubted his ability.  He's succeeded at every minor league stop and he probably wouldn't have been promoted unless talent evaluators saw him becoming passable at some position, whatever that may be. I'm confident he'll become a passable 2B or 3B and with the way he can swing the bat, I'm sure he'll have a long major league career. 

 

Knowing you, there was a hidden message here. Stay classy, dude.

 

And Green has always been a highly overrated prospect. Outside of playing as a middle infielder, a position he has never solidified, his offensive ability is that of a fringe player. Not much power. His .250 BA was actually inflated by a .351 BABIP. Not totally fair to judge him based on such a small MLB sample size, but given his pedigree his MiLB numbers aren't all that impressive, either.

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