Predict Pujols' and Hamilton's 2014 numbers.

[Angel Oracle]

I still don't trust either of them, although I can see improvement over 2013.

 

Pujols should have something like .300/.360/.540/.900 with say 35 HRs and 115 rbis.

But I predict .270/.330/.470/.800 with 28 HRs and 90 rbis.   Solid, but not nearly superstar territory

He hasn't truly been healthy since 2010, as even 2012 saw his knees affected by surgery the previous off-season. 

 

Hamilton should have something like .290/.350/.500/.850 with say 30 HRs and 100 rbis.

But I predict .275/.325/.450/.775 with 23 HRs and 85 rbis.   Solid, but not nearly superstar territory

 

And we're paying these two by now some $40 million combined for 2014?

:( :(

Edited October 22, 2013 by Angel Oracle

[nate]

Pujols .850 OPS

Hamilton .800 OPS

[SoWhat]

I think Pujols will bounce back with a big year. I can't say the same for Hamilton, I'm pretty much expecting the same numbers he put up in 2013.

[notherhalo]

Pujols  .278 / 36 / 105

 

Hamilton   .232 / 31 / 90

[ten ocho recon scout]

I'm predicting 25, for both of them.

In millions made I mean.

But to be honest, I expect both to bounce back. Pujols is getting old, but he's still one of the smartest hitters in the game. And I think he's the type that has the ego that will push him to shut people up. Whereas some guys sign a big contract and become content, he's chasing history (he won't get there, but still is). I see no reason why he can't bounce back a la david ortiz a few years ago. Sure, we'll never see vintage pujols (maybe on the history channel), but I think he's gonna come back strong if the foot is healed (no pun intended).

As per hamilton, I think he'll be fine. Probably close to the numbers you projected, but to be fair, that would be a huge leap forward. I expect closer to 30 home runs though.

We shall see.

I'm with all you guys that see doom and gloom. That said, I think the silver lining is the fact EVERYTHING wentwrong this year (sans trout). A little luck the other way and we would have been fine.

So I'm not so much worried about the bats as much as the pitching. That said, I doubt arte sits still. I doibt he doesn't open his wallet. Hes operated at a loss before. I fully believe he goes above the tax this year to try and right the ship.

Had the bad contracts not been him, its different. But I'm sure he knows he dug this hole. I doubt he doesn't take a hit to try and pull the team out.

[NrM]

I don't think there's any reason to believe Albert Pujols will have a .900+ OPS. The last time he did that was in 2011 and it was only .906.

 

I expect Pujols to have an OPS around .820-.850, unless he finds the steroids Ortiz is taking.

Edited October 22, 2013 by Poozy

[Adam]

Poor to Average

[ten ocho recon scout]

Yeah, I doubt he's that high too. But I think .290/.360/.490 are very doable. Not at all vintage pujols, but he'll be a very solid bat in the moto (if he puts those numbers up).

That, and a bounce back hamilton (with trout) and we should still be a top offense.

[Angel Oracle]

The sad part is Pujols being owed $212 million over the next 8 years, and Hamilton being owed $90 million from 2015-2017. 

[DMVol]

I think you can safely predict Pujols to be good, not great, not vintage Pujols...your numbers are probably pretty close.

With Hamilton, who the hell knows?  Total wild card....

[Schildog]

each players' production won't match his contract. 

Edited October 22, 2013 by Schildog

[Ray McKigney]

Pujols - 5

Hamilton - 32

[Scott34]

Pujols .850 OPS

Hamilton .800 OPS

 

Reverse them and I concur.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

The predictions in the OP sound about right.

[CardsFanVegas]

Albert will probably get at least 290/30/100.  He might do better, but that is the lowest I would expect from him if he is healthy again.  I think he is going to come back with a monster year.

 

Who knows about Hamilton.  Total question mark.

[tdawg87]

For Pujols, 2014 is a make or break year. I don't expect vintage Pujols numbers ever again, but I do expect him to put up at least 2 years with a 900+ OPS. I'm willing to make excuses for him for 2012 and 2013, but in 2014 there is no excuse. Either he has a great year, or he is a washed up has been.

[Stradling]

Dawg, how bout he puts up 2012 type numbers without the first five weeks of shit. So he would be a very productive but overpaid player. If he puts up a low .800 ops does that mean he's washed up?

[m0nkey]

2012-new league/new city/moving away from family

2013-injuries

2014-??

[VariousCrap]

I think Pujols has a solid return in 2014.

 

.290+ / 30+ / 100+

 

 

I think Hamilton will do better as well.  With the help of Baylor and getting off of that stupid all juice diet, we should see some better numbers.

 

.275+ / 25+ /90+

[RallyMo]

Wait, am I seriously reading a thread where projections about what players should produce and what they will produce are simultaneously floated?

 

This is amazing.

[Stradling]

Yes, Rally you are. I have no idea how we predict what they should produce, and how that is estimated, but it is what it is. Players should use those "stats" for arbitration.

[Angel Oracle]

Not amazing when accounting for that the expected numbers are based on what they produced before 2014, and taking into account declining with age; and then the predicted numbers are based on the general "older players decline more drastically when coming here" theory.

[Stradling]

No AO, you are telling us what his stats should be based on your beliefs.

[tdawg87]

Dawg, how bout he puts up 2012 type numbers without the first five weeks of shit. So he would be a very productive but overpaid player. If he puts up a low .800 ops does that mean he's washed up?

 

Absolutely. He is getting paid 250 million to do what most other first basemen in baseball can do. And it shows me he really is in a serious decline and we can continue to expect worse over the final 7 years of his contract.

 

If he can put up a .900+ OPS the next two years, and then a .800+ OPS the two years after that before declining into the .700 range then I will be ok with that. I don't think anyone could have realistically expected him to live up to the contract but if the Angels can get 5 good years out of him I will be happy.

[CaliAngel]

It would be nice if we could at least get one season where both have .285+ batting averages and .375+ OBP but I'm pretty pessimistic about that happening.

 

Can't believe how poorly these guys have played since they've gotten on our team.