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No news of personnel firings, but also no confirmations of retention


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Maybe they are trying to trade Scioscia

Would make some sense, if you were trying to trade him to, say the Nats, you'd want to keep it quiet....and maybe try and get it done quickly, minimizing media scrutiny to the extent that you can....

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Would make some sense, if you were trying to trade him to, say the Nats, you'd want to keep it quiet....and maybe try and get it done quickly, minimizing media scrutiny to the extent that you can....

I think the odds of him being traded, are very slim. I think the Dodgers are the only team that might be interested in trading for him, but I still think the odds of him being traded to the Dodgers are very slim. Of course it's not like trading players, he has to agree to be traded. He would probably rather stay at home, get paid, and wait for the right situation to get back into managing.

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If they are going to fire the manager, I'm hoping the delay is because they are waiting for Tampa to finish up getting swept by the Red Sux.

 

Joe Maddon won't want this job, not with the overpaid underachievers, demands for winning big immediately and no real changes coming in the roster. He has a pretty sweet deal where he is with a lot less pressure.

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It was a tweet by a beat writer who covers the Angels every day.

 

You old people need to start giving credence to Twitter...  The beat writers are pretty good sources of information.

Except a lot of what's tweeted is rumor and gossip, because "journalistic standards" don't apply.

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Just curious. Many on here have said that a better manager would be responsible for, at most, 3 wins a season. How many do you give Francona credit for in Cleveland? What was the difference in wins there? I'm guessing more. And not just the managerial moves during a game, but the overall team camaraderie and persona.

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Don Mattingly hasn't been extended yet and perhaps Scioscia's future is tied to this (although I doubt it).  If Mattingly should fail to get the Dodgers to the NLCS or WS he could be gone and that might make Moreno keep Scioscia for fear of him going up the road.  If Mattingly is extended - perhaps Scioscia will get the can.  I doubt this - but thought it would be fuel for the fire for some of you...

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It was a tweet by a beat writer who covers the Angels every day.

 

You old people need to start giving credence to Twitter...  The beat writers are pretty good sources of information.

Fletchers tweet was double speak and didn't reflect anything coming from the front office. Young people shouldn't be so gullible.
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looking more and more like another season of...

 

silly contact plays

stoic, emotionless coaching

stumbling out of the gate

.240 hitter hitting 3rd, followed by cleanup hitter who can't hit LHP

late season push to seize 3rd place from Seattle

turning a lot more pages

 

 

I would imagine that Pujols and Hamilton are here regardless.

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Just curious. Many on here have said that a better manager would be responsible for, at most, 3 wins a season. How many do you give Francona credit for in Cleveland? What was the difference in wins there? I'm guessing more. And not just the managerial moves during a game, but the overall team camaraderie and persona.

 

How about a massive improvement in pitching?  

 

The 2012 Indians had Derek Lowe 5.52 ERA, Josh Tomlin 6.36 ERA, Jeanmar Gomez 5.96 ERA combine to make 56 starts, another 31 were made by Ulbaldo Jimenez who posted an ERA of 5.40.   They basically had four Joe Blanton's in their rotation in 2012..   All told they had 7 different pitchers start at least 12 games, of those 7 only 1 of them managed an ERA+ better than 79, Zach McAllister at 4.24...  This year they had ONE guy with an ERA over 3,85 -- Scott Kazmir at 4.04 which translated into a ERA+ of 93. 

 

Comaraderie and persona?  When the team's ERA+ goes from 81 to 99, camaraderie  and persona improves a great deal.   Look no further than how different the Angels looked when they yanked Hanson and Blanton from the rotation.

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The only way they will improve the pitching is to stop bringing in position players.

The OF/DH spots are already clogged up.

 

This HAS to be the off-season of adding ZERO position players. 

Can Arte actually refrain himself this time from ANY big money contracts to aging position players?

Even with Pujols' disappearance and Hamilton needing 4 months to get started, the team still finished only .003 from having the third best OPS in the AL in 2013.

 

Pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching!!!!

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Do you think a new manager would keep Butcher? That's the point. Firing Sosh changes the entire staff if you go outside the organization.

 

 

Yeah, except that Sarbaugh, Callaway, and Alomar were already in the Indians organization.   Brad Mills, and Ty Van Burkleo were brought in from outside -- hardly a dramatic makeover.

 

You can give credit to Burkleo if you want to for the team's offense improving but when you swap out 5 of the 9 regulars in the order and make massive improvements/additions to the bench players it's harder to make that argument.

 

If they do retain MS, there no reason JD can't fire Butcher like he did Hatcher.

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The only way they will improve the pitching is to stop bringing in position players.

The OF/DH spots are already clogged up.

 

This HAS to be the off-season of adding ZERO position players. 

Can Arte actually refrain himself this time from ANY big money contracts to aging position players?

Even with Pujols' disappearance and Hamilton needing 4 months to get started, the team still finished only .003 from having the third best OPS in the AL in 2013.

 

Pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching!!!!

 

Etiehr JD tells Arte to STFU or Arte just learns to trust the people he hired again...   Because he can't keep making baseball decisions and then blaming the baseball people.

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Yeah, except that Sarbaugh, Callaway, and Alomar were already in the Indians organization.   Brad Mills, and Ty Van Burkleo were brought in from outside -- hardly a dramatic makeover.

 

You can give credit to Burkleo if you want to for the team's offense improving but when you swap out 5 of the 9 regulars in the order and make massive improvements/additions to the bench players it's harder to make that argument.

 

If they do retain MS, there no reason JD can't fire Butcher like he did Hatcher.

 

These coaches weren't at the big league level. Fresh leadership along with new instruction equals improvements. The players aren't sitting at home doing this all on their own. There is something to be said with believing you are a winner (as a team) that comes from coaching. If the Indians trotted out the same coaching staff as last season with this season's roster, I highly doubt they even get a sniff of the playoffs. They probably finish with a losing record.

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These coaches weren't at the big league level. Fresh leadership along with new instruction equals improvements. The players aren't sitting at home doing this all on their own. There is something to be said with believing you are a winner (as a team) that comes from coaching. If the Indians trotted out the same coaching staff as last season with this season's roster, I highly doubt they even get a sniff of the playoffs. They probably finish with a losing record.

 

So "the point" has now changed...,  little things like wholesale changes to improve the roster mean very little in the grand scheme of things...  Gotcha..    

 

The great part about most of your post is that it's impossible to argue something that's purely hypothetical and based on stuff like "thinking you're a winner".  So an Angels team that won 89 games the previous year didn't think they were winners because the coaching staff didn't tell them they were....  Sounds legit.   No doubt the Cleveland Indians could have retained their 2012 roster, signed Stuart Smalley to manage and gone beyond the WC.  

 

Meanwhile, back in reality-land.  The Angels need to improve their pitching staff. 

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