Player's View: Who's the Best in the Game?

[Broad Street]

I think that Trout is the better overall player, and the best overall player in the game today. That being said, Cabrera is still the better hitter.

[Ray McKigney]

You don't need WAR to know who are the best players in the game.

 

 

I don't need anybody to tell me it's going to rain. All I have to do is stick my head out the window. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

It would be awesome if pwnce's agent used WAR in the contract negotiations.

[Hollyw00d]

WAR liked pence this year, he should be a little more appreciative of it

[notherhalo]

was Ben Zobrist the best player in the league when he led it in WAR?

[Troll Daddy]

Trout has his weaknesses like all great players do.

Trout still has to prove his real worth over 4-5 years.

There's many great players in the game today. To claim that Trout is leaps and bonds better is laughable.

[Ohtaniland]

Trout has his weaknesses like all great players do.

Trout still has to prove his real worth over 4-5 years.

There's many great players in the game today. To claim that Trout is leaps and bonds better is laughable.

 

Mike Trout is Willie Mays...............with Johnny Damon's arm.   Still a bad-ass though.

[Angels]

Trout has his weaknesses like all great players do.

Trout still has to prove his real worth over 4-5 years.

There's many great players in the game today. To claim that Trout is leaps and bonds better is laughable.

 

And yet you are doing nothing to disprove that notion. All you can muster up is "WAR is the worst stat ever."

 

In other words, you got nothing.

[Troll Daddy]

And yet you are doing nothing to disprove that notion. All you can muster up is "WAR is the worst stat ever."

In other words, you got nothing.

Don't get your panties all wet... what notion are you talking about? Disprove?

[Angels]

"To claim that Trout is leaps and bounds better is laughable."

 

You've already tried before (and failed) by saying WAR is the worst stat ever. So...disprove it. Tell us why Trout isn't on another level as a ballplayer?

 

Waiting for you to enlighten us with some real, hard scientific data and evidence. 

[tdawg87]

"To claim that Trout is leaps and bounds better is laughable."

 

You've already tried before (and failed) by saying WAR is the worst stat ever. So...disprove it. Tell us why Trout isn't on another level as a ballplayer?

 

Waiting for you to enlighten us with some real, hard scientific data and evidence. 

 

All you need to do is look at his screenname and you will realize that your efforts to win this argument are entirely fruitless.

[Angels]

I know all about his shtick. I'm just having some fun with him. 

[Taylor]

I think Troll Daddy actually believes what he posts. He's just more obnoxious about it than he needs to be.

[Ray McKigney]

I always think Troll Daddy has just smoked a doob right before he posts. That's him in his avatar, isn't it?

[Brent Maguire]

I agree with Pence ... WAR has to be the worst stat in baseball. Does anyone here know the formula?

You don't need WAR to know who are the best players in the game.

Trout is the complete package but Cabrera is a game changer.

The formula is gathering combinations of offensive, defensive and baserunning data and putting it into one ideal stat. 

 

It blows my mind that some fans aren't willing to credit WAR or at the very least accept that it's the best way to quantify an entire skill set of a player. Are we still living in the 1970's and can't be open minded about new stats? 

[Brent Maguire]

was Ben Zobrist the best player in the league when he led it in WAR?

.297/.405/.543 slash line, 152 wRC+, .407 wOBA and fantastic defender at many positions that year. 

 

Yeah there's a very good argument for him being the best American League player that year. He was an absolute beast that year. 

[HaloFan85]

Why is this so difficult?

 

Best hitter: Cabrera

 

Best player: Trout

[YouthofToday]

This is a "silly" "debate". Trout is by far the best player in MLB.

To claim otherwise exposes an individual's utter lack of ability to process information.

[Troll Daddy]

I think Troll Daddy actually believes what he posts. He's just more obnoxious about it than he needs to be.

I do believe what I post.

Thank you

[AngelsLakersFan]

 ... WAR has to be the worst stat in baseball. Does anyone here know the formula?

 

 

WAR = Hitting + Baserunning  + Defense + Playing Time

 

Can they even do that!?

[Docwaukee]

who knew that Troll Daddy was actually Hunter Pence.  Although I will say it's surprising that Hunter is such a big Dodgers fan. 

[jshep]

I think this might have caught my attention as much as anything else here:

 

Brian Dozier, Minnesota Twins infielder; "It’s not like he plays a bad third base, either."

 

Brian Duensing, Minnesota Twins pitcher; "He plays a decent third base."

 

Adrian Gonzalez, Los Angeles Dodgers infielder: "he’s pretty good defensively, too.”

 

Casey Janssen, Toronto Blue Jays pitcher: "he plays a good enough third base."

[Mudville]

These guys play against both players and their evaluations come from more playing time than most have sat on their asses watching. So their observations have nothing to do with counting stats, it has to do with competition and basing everything on what they see happen on the field.

You guys spend your time fawning over numbers and in the case of WAR over a formula most can't even put into words to understand how that final number is achieved. But all those sexy number convince you that the players are dumb guys that don't know anything about the game they play.

I wonder sometimes how you guys thought you became experts.

[tdawg87]

These guys play against both players and their evaluations come from more playing time than most have sat on their asses watching. So their observations have nothing to do with counting stats, it has to do with competition and basing everything on what they see happen on the field.

You guys spend your time fawning over numbers and in the case of WAR over a formula most can't even put into words to understand how that final number is achieved. But all those sexy number convince you that the players are dumb guys that don't know anything about the game they play.

I wonder sometimes how you guys thought you became experts.

 

So I guess scouts are pretty much worthless, then?

[Brent Maguire]

These guys play against both players and their evaluations come from more playing time than most have sat on their asses watching. So their observations have nothing to do with counting stats, it has to do with competition and basing everything on what they see happen on the field.

You guys spend your time fawning over numbers and in the case of WAR over a formula most can't even put into words to understand how that final number is achieved. But all those sexy number convince you that the players are dumb guys that don't know anything about the game they play.

I wonder sometimes how you guys thought you became experts.

It doesn't take a genius to know Cabrera is terrible defensively. The experts who find these defensive stats are the ones finding the data and watching games anyways. These players only play against a guy a max of 19 times a year. How do they know he isn't awful the other games they don't see?