Would you want Cano for 20, 25 million a year?

[nando714]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

Pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching, maybe a 3B

Juan Uribe after a nice postseason

Book It!

[tdawg87]

If the Angels didn't sign Hamilton I'd be pretty receptive of the idea. Their next big contract needs to be Trout, not some veteran who put up all his numbers for another team.

[Troll Daddy]

Why do you guys keep talking about this ... Angels can't afford him, period. Cano will sign with the Yankee!

[Ohtaniland]

“It’s definitely eye-opening because it’s a lot of money,” Trout told the Daily News on Thursday. “But that’s the way the game is going nowadays. Contracts just keep getting bigger and bigger.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/trout-calls-cano-contract-demands-eye-op-ening-article-1.1475411#ixzz2giGOH1R0

[kevinb]

No chance I don't care if he is getting paid 15 to 18 million. I wouldn't sign another over the age of 30 player to a long contract. Pass! Let someone else raise their payroll. The only money the Angels should be worried about is signing Trout to an extension.

[tdawg87]

Would you guys get rid of Howie for Kinsler if Texas let him go?

 

I think I would.

 

That contradicts your first post. His Career OPS is .710 away from Texas. He is the poster boy for "Product of Arlington".

[ten ocho recon scout]

Not even for five years. Just imagine the outcry when Trout can't be extended because we're paying Cano, Pujols, Hamilton, AND Wilson.

The line has to be drawn somewhere. And I am drawing it now:

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Dangit mark. You left an opening at the bottom. Now we'll probably sign ellsbury this winter.

[YouthofToday]

The next $100 million+ contract better be for Trout.

If it isn't this franchise is probably f¥€%ed

[Punk]

No thanks.

[Inside Pitch]

Would you guys get rid of Howie for Kinsler if Texas let him go?

 

I think I would.

 

 

What is it about Kinsler's career ,242/.312/.399 career batting line away from Texas makes you willing to take on the 14.25 mil per year he is guaranteed the next 5 years.  

 

In what world is a guy that can't hit away from that bandbox an upgrade over Kendrick at 9.25 mil the next two years?  

Edited October 4, 2013 by Inside Pitch

[Splint7438]

Yo do realize that kinsler adderall exemption can only be used by kinsler right? We wouldn't get to pass it around to all the players. Same with belters testosterone exemption. Not sure who else has exemptions on Texas but they didn't seem to work this year.

[Jim]

No

 

With all the improvements this team needs in the pitching depth, dumping our current 2B and his very friendly contract for a 30 something would be beyond stupid. 

[Mark68]

Dangit mark. You left an opening at the bottom. Now we'll probably sign ellsbury this winter.

I didn't say how LONG the line was...

[ten ocho recon scout]

I didn't say how LONG the line was...

Motion of the ocean type line. I like it.

I can see the ethier for kinsler rumor coming through thiswinter. Kinslers numbers pro bably dip going to a more pitcher friendly enviornment, but it prob still helps the dodgers due to their glut of outfielders.

[Carlos]

Cano should stay a Yankee, that's where he belongs.

[saangels]

Absolutely not.  He plays in a little league stadium.  Granted, he's a really good player, but there's no way he will put up the same numbers in Anaheim that he has over his career in New York.  The only thing the Angels would prove if they sign Cano is that they haven't learned anything.   

[jsnpritchett]

Absolutely not.  He plays in a little league stadium.  

 

Career home OPS: .858

Career road OPS: .862

 

Edit: if you look at just "new" Yankee stadium, his OPS there is a little over .900--but his career road OPS is still very good.  To be clear, I'm not advocating signing him.  Just pointing out that he's not solely a product of where he plays his home games.

Edited October 5, 2013 by jsnpritchett

[Angels]

The next $100 million+ contract better be for Trout.

If it isn't this franchise is probably f¥€%ed

 

Pretty much this. Too bad they're worried about their little luxury tax, though. 

 

The Angels had no problem rewarding Pujols and Hamilton for what they did for another organization. How about ponying up the cash to reward someone who did it for this organization? Trout is a once-in-a-generation kind of player...surely the Angels aren't dumb enough to let him get away? 

[disarcina]

My take is that we've taken our share of this long term multi-million dollar contracts that get you a key player (mainly on past performance) at ONE position but reduces the front office's ability to field quality players in the rest of the line-up as well as significantly affecting the team's ability to pick up that key 23rd to 25th person on the roster -- the key set-up guy out of the pen, the key MIF utility guy off the bench, the key slugger part-time DH........when all is said and done it is often the difference in the quality of those roster spots between the teams that make the difference come stretch time.

 

and then there's the issue discussed on another thread on this board -- team chemistry.......a 10 year $150 million or whatever contract for one guy while another guy is making less than one tenth of that tends to cause some 'clubhouse chemistry' issues.

 

So I say NO to any more long term contract.

[2002_halos_II]

He (Cano) needs the money in order to afford to pay more than the current $600 a month for support of his 3 year old son in the DR.

[QuinlansMinion]

No more 30+ yeard old free agents.

[Angelsjunky]

Look at it this way. Over the last two years, Howie Kendrick has accrued 5.7 WAR in 267 games, so that puts him at about a 3 WAR player for a 140+ game season. Kendrick is due $9.35M in 2014 and $9.5M in 2015.

 

Cano, on the other hand, has 13.7 WAR in 321 games in the same time span. Given that 2012 was a career year, Cano's peak average seems closer to 6 WAR per season. Cano is likely to get $25M per season - and for the next 6-8 years.

 

So we could either have:

 

*Kendrick's 3 WAR for a bit over $9M for the next two years, with a cheap replacement in Lindsey or Yarbrough after

*Cano's 6 WAR for $25M per year, with decline inevitable at some point

 

or, alternately:

 

*Grant Green's 1-2+ WAR for 500K for a year or two, with Lindsey and Yarbrough as possible upgrades in the future

 

Signing Cano would be absurd and really shouldn't be a question. He's significantly better than Kendrick, but not better value  - especially when you factor in Green, Lindsey, and Yarbrough.

 

The real question is whether or not to trade Kendrick and save about $17.5M over the next two years in the process - which could be factored into a Trout extension or a free agent pitcher. To me it is what needs to happen. A conservative estimate would have Green being only a small downgrade offensively, and a moderate downgrade defensively. But I think Green is well capable of putting up a 2 WAR next year, maybe better. That 1+ extra WAR can be more than made up for by transforming Howie's contract into pitching improvement.

[fatkook]

yes. we nee all the overpaid overage players we can get. That is what wins CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!

[saangels]

Career home OPS: .858

Career road OPS: .862

 

Edit: if you look at just "new" Yankee stadium, his OPS there is a little over .900--but his career road OPS is still very good.  To be clear, I'm not advocating signing him.  Just pointing out that he's not solely a product of where he plays his home games.

I stand corrected, jsnpritchett.  Thank you for doing the research that I clearly should have done myself before opening my big fat yapper. 

[Broad Street]

Hell no. No more big contracts so we can break the bank for Trout. And hopefully soon, so he can buy a freaking house already!!!