How to fix the pitching?

[HBMike]

Sign Tanaka and Colon. Colon on a one year deal is way better then Vargas on multi-year deal. Trade Bourjos for bullpen arms. Trade Howie or Trumbo depending on what is being offered for young starting pitching that is ML ready. Still think the Angels will need a closer, but a rotation of Weaver, Colon, Tanaka, CJ, Richards should be good enough with depth in the minors from a trade.  I know a lot people won't like signing Colon but at his age he could be one of few pitchers that won't  cost a lot and only a one year deal. 

[Scott34]

My list:

 

Tanaka

trade Howie and or Trumbo for another pitcher

Mujica

Beard

[Mark68]

Take them to the vet.

[sneaky_flute]

Brian Wilson probably wouldn't be better than Frieri at this point

[SoWhat]

Mujica has had a pretty bad September, he wasn't even used to close at the end of this month. I'd go with Wilson closing and Balfour setting up. It'd be a pretty wacky bullpen, but one with balls

[Scott34]

Mujica has been great for 4 years now.

[Mark68]

Brian Wilson probably wouldn't be better than Frieri at this point

Since you said this, we should absolutely go after The Beard.

[seenoevil]

Trade Howie, Aybar, Trumbo, Bourjos...  Get some quality pitchers in here. I would say trade Hamilton too, but his contract is too big to be dealt.

[SigBaby]

Bourjos for Mike Leake

 

Trumbo for Glen Perkins and Kyle Gibson

 

Re-sign Vargas

 

1. Weaver

2. Wilson

3. Vargas

4. Leake

5. Richards

 

Perkins

Frieri

De La Rosa

Burnett

Kohn

Jepsen

Williams

[tennischmp]

Bourjos for Mike Leake

 

Trumbo for Glen Perkins and Kyle Gibson

 

Re-sign Vargas

 

1. Weaver

2. Wilson

3. Vargas

4. Leake

5. Richards

 

Perkins

Frieri

De La Rosa

Burnett

Kohn

Jepsen

Williams

[SoWhat]

Sign Tanaka

Trade Bourjos & Aybar for Tony Cingrani & prospect

Sign Brian Wilson & Balfour

 

Rotation:

Weaver

Wilson

Tanaka

Cingrani

Richards

 

 

Bullpen:

Wilson

Balfour

Frieri

Burnett

De La Rosa

Edited September 30, 2013 by SoWhat

[tdawg87]

I think I'm the only person here who does not want the Angels to sign Brian Wilson.

[AZMike]

Would it be safe to say that Dipoto is officially incompetent if he re-signs Madson?

If that happened and I were Arte I'd hire a PI to see if he's added extra stories onto his house from the kickbacks he's likely getting from Boras under the table.

 

Re-signing Madson AGAIN would be eerily similar to the time Reagins inherited a wad of cash from some random unknown relative shortly after the Wells trade...

Edited September 30, 2013 by AZMike

[SoWhat]

Another interesting option is Ubaldo Jimenez. I was skeptical at first and still am, but he's been beyond dominant this second half. 

 

 

1.86 ERA

1.164 WHIP

9.3 K/9

Edited September 30, 2013 by SoWhat

[tdawg87]

Tanaka is pretty much a MUST at this point. I would also say Vargas is as well, though it isn't the end of the world if he isn't re-signed. If they can get both, the rotation looks like:

 

Weaver

Wilson

Tanaka

Vargas

Richards

 

I'm OK with that. Though it could certainly be better and I would be fine if the Angels explored trade options for a starter which would push Richards back into the swingman spot. I think they have to trade Howie and/or Trumbo for a pitching prospect with a ton of upside. I think they need to re-explore the Kendrick for Lee/Withrow trade since that kills two birds with one stone (SP depth and bullpen depth).

 

As for signing relievers, Joe Smith is a good guy to go after. Smith has been a solid reliever for every year of his career now, and has been very good the last 3 years. As a setup man he would come cheaper than a closer and I would be perfectly happy having him as the set-up man/closer (if Frieri is not going to be the closer). Javier Lopez would be great as well but could be pretty expensive. He's already making 4.25 million and given the year he has had this year will probably look for at least 5 million a year. Still, he is ABSURD against left-handed hitters and the Angels need a guy like that in the chance Burnett isn't healthy.

[gotbeer]

Would it be safe to say that Dipoto is officially incompetent if he re-signs Madson?

 

I'd re-sign Madson. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To a minor league deal.

[AZMike]

According to this article the Angels aren't even going to offer Vargas a qualifying offer because him accepting it would cause them to go over the cutoff for the luxury tax. If true then the Hamilon deal looks even more idiotic than it did during the 2013 season.

[Angel Oracle]

You are truly moronic, Arte!

[gotbeer]

step 1.  convince Arte that he will have to go way over the Competitive Balance Tax amount of $189 million.  

 

Until that is acceptable, we are all having a pipe dream of improving the pitching.

[tdawg87]

According to this article the Angels aren't even going to offer Vargas a qualifying offer because him accepting it would cause them to go over the cutoff for the luxury tax. If true then the Hamilon deal looks even more idiotic than it did during the 2013 season.

 

I think that's more speculation than anything. Neither Arte nor Jerry have said anything about the payroll flexibility. It is just assumed that Arte will not go over it (which is a good assumption, admittedly). They also have pieces to trade and Kendrick could free up some payroll as well as Aybar and even Iannetta.

[jshep]

Going to be good times if this team has virtually no money to spend because Arte is simultaneously willing to shoot his wad on big money luxuries like Wells, Pujols, Hamilton AND unwilling to exceed the luxury tax threshold when the team clearly needs him to.

[Mark68]

Won't be here next year (and is not a free agent):

 

Kendrick

Bourjos

Hanson

Gutierrez

 

Total projected salary (including my estimate for arbitration): $15.3 million

 

Possible players who won't be here next year (and aren't free agents):

 

Aybar

Trumbo

Jepsen

Cowgill

Williams

Nelson

 

Projected salaries: $14.6 million.

 

Some hard decisions will need to be made, and some of them will be unpopular. If all these guys are gone, it saves $30 million (not in AAV, but in actual salary).

[Angel Oracle]

Is there ANYONE on here who gives Butcher anything better than a D for the 2013 season?

He needs to go, big time!