Giants extend Hunter Pence 5 years 90 million

[HaloCory22]

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/28/the-giants-and-hunter-pence-could-be-close-to-a-new-deal/

 

UPDATE: Alex Pavlovic of the San Jose Mercury News reports that the two sides have agreed to a deal, pending a physical.

1:28 p.m. ET: FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal adds that it would be a five-year, $90 million deal.

1:18 p.m. ET: CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman reports that the Giants and Pence are “closing in” on a $90 million deal. The contract would carry an AAV (average annual value) of $18 million per season, topping Andre Ethier‘s five-year, $85 million ($17 million AAV) extension from last year. Pence’s new deal will likely set the bar for a free agent like Shin-Soo Choo this winter.

 

[Scott34]

Talk about an overpay. Wow.

[Angels Never Die]

Oh wow, they're going to regret that so much. I feel so bad for Giants fans right now.

[HaloCory22]

Exact contract Torii got from us. I think he'll live up to it more than Torii did.

[jshep]

Wow, good example of how much a good walk year can get teams to forget.

[SoWhat]

Aaron Rowand Pt. 2

[Blarg]

Exact contract Torii got from us. I think he'll live up to it more than Torii did.

 

Torii Hunter Angels 2008-2012 stats .286/.352/.462./814

 

Hunter Pence Career .285/.339/.475./814

 

So far Pence has hardly lived up to what Torii gave the Angels and you think he will do better than his prime years?

[m0nkey]

I don't see how this is that much of an overpay.  And if you want to feel bad for fans dealing with their team signing bad contracts,

[DW711]

Good offensive player + below average defensive player = 5 years/90 Million AND a full no trade.

 

I'd say I'm surprised, but I'm not.

[tdawg87]

Torii Hunter Angels 2008-2012 stats .286/.352/.462./814

 

Hunter Pence Career .285/.339/.475./814

 

So far Pence has hardly lived up to what Torii gave the Angels and you think he will do better than his prime years?

 

Torii did. No reason Hunter Pence can't.

 

Don't think it was that ridiculous of a comment.

[jshep]

Torii Hunter Angels 2008-2012 stats .286/.352/.462./814

 

Hunter Pence Career .285/.339/.475./814

 

So far Pence has hardly lived up to what Torii gave the Angels and you think he will do better than his prime years?

 

To play devil's advocate here, Torii's career numbers prior to coming to the Angels were worse than Pence's career line.

 

And Pence will be 2 years younger than Torii was at the start of the contract.

[Tyler]

Pence's numbers will suffer in that ballpark.

[HaloCory22]

Torii Hunter Angels 2008-2012 stats .286/.352/.462./814

 

Hunter Pence Career .285/.339/.475./814

 

So far Pence has hardly lived up to what Torii gave the Angels and you think he will do better than his prime years?

Yes, yes I do. Pence is younger to start the contract and overall numbers before the contract are better than Torii's. 

[Angels Never Die]

How are his numbers better than Hunter's? And why are you ignoring defensive value?

[tdawg87]

How are his numbers better than Hunter's? And why are you ignoring defensive value?

 

His numbers now, are better than Torii's were when he signed the contract with the Angels.

[HaloCory22]

How are his numbers better than Hunter's? And why are you ignoring defensive value?

In 4 of the 5 years with us, Torii had a negative defensive value.

 

UZR from 08 to 13

 

Pence-

11.9

12.2

0.6

-4.1

-2.8

5.5

 

Torii-

-10.2

-1.3

-5.8

-0.9

11.2

-3.3

 

You were saying?

[Tyler]

Defensive metrics are very inconsistent. 

[jshep]

Also, Scott Boras looking for 100 million+ for Choo doesn't seem as out there as it once did now.

[HaloCory22]

Defensive metrics are very inconsistent. 

True, but the point I'm making is that there isn't a huge disparity between them.

[Angels Never Die]

His numbers now, are better than Torii's were when he signed the contract with the Angels.

 

Based on what statistics exactly?

[Angels Never Die]

In 4 of the 5 years with us, Torii had a negative defensive value.

 

UZR from 08 to 13

 

Pence-

11.9

12.2

0.6

-4.1

-2.8

5.5

 

Torii-

-10.2

-1.3

-5.8

-0.9

11.2

-3.3

 

You were saying?

 

How is this a fair comparison? They were at different stages in their career.

[m0nkey]

Based on what statistics exactly?

Based on the statistics batting average, on base, and slugging

[tdawg87]

Based on what statistics exactly?

 

All of them?

 

Torii Hunter: .271/.324/.469, .793 OPS

Hunter Pence: .285/.339/.475, .814 OPS

[tdawg87]

How is this a fair comparison? They were at different stages in their career.

 

Hey, you are the one that brought up the defensive argument.

[disarcina]

A big contract for a lot of years..........but Pence has been pretty much lights out this year........

 

it will be interesting to see where Lincecum lands........(pinstripes and not for a huge contract -- Lincecum turned a real big longer term contract/ extension from Giants down last off-season -- big mistake -- but Yankees or someone will likely over-pay for Lincecum on a one or two year deal with options).