More Trouble at the Ravine

[fan_since79]

In some of those losses, Kershaw had very little run support.

[mancini79]

WHIP, BB, SO and ERA are dependent of the pitcher.

 

Wins are dependent of the team.

[m0nkey]

Oh, so you don't need wins to evaluate a pitcher

[Troll Daddy]

Screw evaluating ... wins is why you play the game. Same goes for runs and RBI's .

[Troll Daddy]

The players with the most wins, RBI's , and runs scored are more often than not the best players in the game.

[Troll Daddy]

Puig 4-5 clubhouse cancer

[tennischmp]

Oh, so you don't need wins to evaluate a pitcher

Where are you getting this from? The Scherzer thread? I don't think anyone was evaluating him on just wins

[ten ocho recon scout]

Kershaw has a better WHIP and a full point lower ERA and goes deeper in the game.

Scherzer has him beat with K/9 and of course Wins.

I'm going with Kershaw in a must win game.

I'd take kershaw over any pircher in baseball.

That said, he does benefit from playing in the nl (no dh), and in a division with three very pitcher friendly parks, fwiw. So not to take anything away from him, like I said, he's the best there is right now. But when it comes doen to two guys relatively close, you gotta consider where they play.

[mancini79]

I'd take kershaw over any pircher in baseball.

That said, he does benefit from playing in the nl (no dh), and in a division with three very pitcher friendly parks, fwiw. So not to take anything away from him, like I said, he's the best there is right now. But when it comes doen to two guys relatively close, you gotta consider where they play.

 

His home/away splits are extremely close. He actually has a better WHIP, and BAA on the road.

[tdawg87]

Puig 4-5 clubhouse cancer

 

Part of being a good troll is subtlety. This is a concept that was lost on you quite a while ago.

[mulwin444]

Part of being a good troll is subtlety. This is a concept that was lost on you quite a while ago.

Actually, other trolls should learn from his example.  Pimp has been around for years laying low with benign comments with a healthy dose of "stupid" to catch you off guard.  The trick is to always be a troll but not look like you are always trolling.  The best is when a new poster engages him earnestly only to start getting suspicious when the "stupid" comes in.

[Taylor]

Scherzer has 19 wins out of 20 decisions. Kershaw has 13/21.

Edge: scherzer

 

 

Pitcher wins is one of the most fallible and poorly-calculated statistics in baseball. I'll take the guy with the 1.72 ERA and 0.88 WHIP in 204 innings.

 

Kershaw is the only player in baseball whom I would even consider trading Trout for.

[fan_since79]

Kershaw has the lowest career ERA (2.60) of any major-league pitcher since 1920 with at least 100 starts and 1,000 innings pitched.

 

Better than Koufax, Gibson, Ford, and all the others.

[ten ocho recon scout]

His home/away splits are extremely close. He actually has a better WHIP, and BAA on the road.

good point.

I'd counter with (and I'm clueless to what it is) his numbers against specific teams/parks. The only reason I say that, we tend to assume everyone plays a balanced schedule against everyone. A few years ago in the kershaw/halladay debate, I broke down some numbers to a friend. Basically, (that year), halladay bettered kershaw foe four months. Kershaw moced past in august when the nl west schedule came back. And off the top of my head, he made only ten starts that year vs teams that were in the top half in runs scored.

No idea what it looks like this year. And in case I come off like I'm not giving him enough credit, I still think he's the best pitcher in the game (by a decent margin).

[ten ocho recon scout]

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....is that lee from the old board?

[ten ocho recon scout]

Kershaw has the lowest career ERA (2.60) of any major-league pitcher since 1920 with at least 100 starts and 1,000 innings pitched.

Better than Koufax, Gibson, Ford, and all the others.[/

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Still no ring though.

(I'm just pretending kershaw is an angel, and I'm a dodger fan reading that).

[Homebrewer]

....is that lee from the old board?

Yep...

[ten ocho recon scout]

Yep...

I can't remember what I did yesterday. But I remember that picture. And it scares me that I remember that picture, but not what I did yesterday.

Good old ___.

[m0nkey]

Piggy is heating up again

[Docwaukee]

Why any pitcher would throw puig a strike is beyond me.

[mancini79]

Crazy Puig stat:

On the first pitch he is batting over .600 and has hit 7 of his 14 hrs. That's an OPS of over 1.700!!

Edited September 2, 2013 by mancini79