Trout vs. Puig - who ya got?

[Blarg]

Puig has a .391 OBP.

Good comparison considering the sample size alikeness.

[Blarg]

Well yeah... he was a .320-.330 hitter every year with 249 career IBBs.  The times Vlad walked on purpose were few and far between.

Mark, can you please explain why a pitcher intentionaly walks a guy that has what was described as having terrible plate discipline?

[FireThemAll]

I think Puig at his best will be a poor man's Vlad Guerrero. Vladdy was a remarkable hitter - Puig is good, but I don't think he'll be quite that good.

[ScottT]

I haven't watched Yasiel Puig play that much, but I think he may have more plate discipline than Vladimir Guerrero. Many of Guerrero's walks were intentional. 34% over his career. 50% in 2006 with the Angels.  

 

Vlad was a freak, though.  He'd make contact with pitches outside of the zone.  Good contact.  I don't see Puig posting this high of a batting average over his career.  I think Mondesi is a better comparison.

Edited October 19, 2013 by ScottT

[Troll Daddy]

There's no doubt that Trout is the man. Puig is a legit five tool player but way behind Trout in his skills. I think Puig will be a much better player next season for the Dogs.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Disagree that puig is 5 tool (same as trout). Trour needs puigs arm. Puig needs trouts glove.

Pu ig still has to show he's a true baserunner too.

I agree, he should improve, bur we'll see. Cespeded looked like a beast last year too.

[ScottT]

Exactly. Young players don't always improve.

[NrM]

There's no doubt that Trout is the man. Puig is a legit five tool player but way behind Trout in his skills. I think Puig will be a much better player next season for the Dogs.

 

 

You think puig will be much better in what way? There's no way he he hits much better than he did this year

[ten ocho recon scout]

Exactly. Young players don't always improve.

True.

I think as young as he is, he could/should. But something I think people are glossing over. Hes not a case of a dominican signed at 16 and spending a few years in thr minors, adjusting, etc. Hes basically a japanese player, a former 'pro', not a traditional rookie.

So, IMO, you have to view him over guys like that versus traditional 22 year old players.

He's got the talent to improve. I agree that his bat (babip showing) probably won't get better. But, his pitch recognition could, and his power still may.

But it all comes down to whether or not he can swallow his pride and accept his shortcomings. To his credit, none of us know him....doesn't seem like the case though.

[Angel Oracle]

Trout is mature beyond his years.

The Puig/Mondesi comp seems to be pretty solid.

It will be interesting to see if Puig's career takes the same trajectory as Mondesi's.

[AngelsLakersFan]

There's no doubt that Trout is the man. Puig is a legit five tool player but way behind Trout in his skills. I think Puig will be a much better player next season for the Dogs.

 

Puig could improve as a player, but there is no reason to believe the results are going to improve. IMO his results are way over his skill level and mostly due to being new to the league. Pitchers will catch up with him, and he'll probably get better at the same time, but I don't see him posting batting averages near .320 all that often. I'd probably project him near .285 next year.

 

Edit:

Just checked the Steamer projections for next season on fangraphs and they have him projected to hit .285 next year.

Edited October 20, 2013 by AngelsLakersFan

[markb]

Mark, can you please explain why a pitcher intentionaly walks a guy that has what was described as having terrible plate discipline?

 

I feel like this goes without saying, but I'll play... because Vlad was an incredibly dangerous hitter on anything remotely near the plate who generally had significantly less dangerous hitters protecting him.  Against an extremely disciplined hitter like Trout, you'll frequently see the "unintentional intentional walk" strategy employed where they just nibble off the edge of the plate and try to get him to chase, and if he didn't, so be it.  Nibble the edge of the strikezone with Vlad and he'll just hit it over the fence anyways.

 

Vlad's career O-swing % was 40.3%, and even dove to an atrocious 47% in his final two years as he declined.  For comparison sake, he was slightly worse than 2013 Trumbo (38.4%) and slightly better than human windmill Josh Hamilton (41.2%).  I feel like proving that Vlad was an undisciplined hitter is like proving water is wet, so if I'm getting trolled then Well Played, Mauer.

[FireThemAll]

Yes, you are getting trolled. Moderators tend to that frequently on this site it seems. They like to stir up trouble for some reason

[Lifetime]

Ya that's it.

[Troll Daddy]

Puig could improve as a player, but there is no reason to believe the results are going to improve. IMO his results are way over his skill level and mostly due to being new to the league. Pitchers will catch up with him, and he'll probably get better at the same time, but I don't see him posting batting averages near .320 all that often. I'd probably project him near .285 next year.

Edit:

Just checked the Steamer projections for next season on fangraphs and they have him projected to hit .285 next year.

Seems like everyone goes straight to offense. I was referring more to his defense and running

game.

Btw Puig did managed to bat .333 in his first post season.

If you put the over/under at .285 I'm betting on the over.

Edited October 20, 2013 by Troll Daddy

[Hollyw00d]

Puig reminds me of Alfonso soriano. Million dollar body, ten cent head

[saangels]

They're both great players, but I would go with Trout, mainly because I think he has a better head on his shoulders.  Puig gives me the impression that he has the potential to become a clubhouse cancer.  

[ten ocho recon scout]

Seems like everyone goes straight to offense. I was referring more to his defense and running

game.

Btw Puig did managed to bat .333 in his first post season.

If you put the over/under at .285 I'm betting on the over.

Keep in mind (as far as post season), the whole team hit atlanta (even uribe). But when the tough pitching came through...yeah he had a few knocks in LA, but overall was a non factor (regardless of bat flipping a 5th inning rbi)

[Angels]

This is even a debate? 

 

Trout by a country mile. Not even close. 

[notherhalo]

Puig seems like a Cuban version of Hamilton:

 

could be AVG leader at times, could be hanging around the bottom at others

massive power, swings and misses a lot

very streaky

gets himself into bad counts

makes solid plays and then bonehead errors

probably not a whole lot upstairs

[yk9001]

On 8/15/2013 at 10:01 AM, yk9001 said:

Puig appears to be a winner.  I love Trout but look at the Dodgers' winning % before he got there and after.

I must have been trolling.

[Jason]

 

[AngelsLakersFan]

On October 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM, AngelsLakersFan said:

 

Puig could improve as a player, but there is no reason to believe the results are going to improve. IMO his results are way over his skill level and mostly due to being new to the league. Pitchers will catch up with him, and he'll probably get better at the same time, but I don't see him posting batting averages near .320 all that often. I'd probably project him near .285 next year.

 

Edit:

Just checked the Steamer projections for next season on fangraphs and they have him projected to hit .285 next year.

Almost 3 years later and Puig's career average now sits at .288... of course TrollDaddy thought I was nuts

[bloodbrother]

I liked this bump because I didn't look like a fool in it.

[Jason]

3 hours ago, bloodbrother said:

I liked this bump because I didn't look like a fool in it.

Bumping in this forum gets many of us at times.