Cardinals have inquired about Aybar

[Scott34]

Haha no way the Cards deal Wacha or Martinez for Aybar. They know what they are doing.

[Angel Oracle]

No way in hell I want Jenkins.

 

The Angels should require either Martinez or Wacha or both for Aybar, or no deal. There's not a Segura in this org to replace Aybar. Lindsey and Yarbrough could easily replace Kendrick's production however. 

Not an immediate SS replacement, but Rondon is there maybe 3 years from now, with Stamets a nice stop gap starting maybe in late 2014 until Rondon is ready.

[Chuck]

Haha no way the Cards deal Wacha or Martinez for Aybar. They know what they are doing.

 

Then no deal. 

 

The Cardinals have nothing else appealing. 

 

BTW, Martinez and Wacha are good prospects, but not TOP prospects IMO. 

[Angel Oracle]

What has she done for me lately?

Is she NASTY or under CONTROL?

[EDinTUSTIN]

"a deal between the Cardinals and Angels that would have sent Aybar to St. Louis for two top pitching prospects has fallen apart.  It appears that the deal fell through upon St. Louis receiving a medical report on Aybar that contained a close up photo"

LOL  That's cold, man!

[Scott34]

JimBowdenESPNxm 5:21pm via Web

Angels&Cards have discussed a deal that would send either Carlos Martinez or Mike Wacha & Peter Kozma to LAA for Aybar (Cards reluctant)

 

Holy shit.

[bloodbrother]

Hopefully Aybar has a great game tonight. Getting either Wacha or Martinez would be incredible. Kozma sucks though and would obviously just be filler at SS until they find a replacement, but whatever

 

Please Cards, pull the trigger

[Scott34]

Let me be the first to say:  If we land Martinez or Wacha I will be THRILLED.  Premium talent.

[tdawg87]

I would cum.

[Stradling]

I don't know anything about these two pitchers, but every one of you seem excited about them. Can any of you give me some comparisons to these two pitchers? Do they project to be top of the rotation guys? Also, if this trade was close to happening, wouldn't Aybar be on the bench tonight?

[FireThemAll]

I refuse to believe Jim Bowden. That guy is an idiot.Would be a great trade for us though IMO

[Stradling]

Also, how close are these two to being Major League ready?

[Scott34]

Both have already pitched in the big leagues.

[Stradling]

Ok, what do they project to be? Can you compare them to a current or former Major Leaguer?

[FireThemAll]

Also, how close are these two to being Major League ready?

 

Super close. As Scott34 says, they already have MLB experience. Should be full time MLB pitchers by next year. Big upside

[Ochocinco!]

Ok, what do they project to be? Can you compare them to a current or former Major Leaguer?

Jesus

[Scott34]

Ok, what do they project to be? Can you compare them to a current or former Major Leaguer?

 

Both have ace potential. I'd need to research more to go for a comp.

[SoWhat]

@LangoschMLB: #STLCards GM: "I still think there’s opportunities to see players traded by tom. I don’t feel very optimistic we’ll be one of active clubs."

[Chuck]

Wacha is a strike thrower. He won't strikeout many batters, but should post a 3.50 - 3.75 ERA long term in the big leagues.

 

Martinez has good stuff, but battles command/control issues. Think Garrett Richards with more upside. 

[Chuck]

Both have ace potential. I'd need to research more to go for a comp.

 

Neither have ace potential, but maybe a good number 2's or 3's in the big leagues. Temper your enthusiasm Scott. 

[Stradling]

Jesus

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[bloodbrother]

I don't know anything about these two pitchers, but every one of you seem excited about them. Can any of you give me some comparisons to these two pitchers? Do they project to be top of the rotation guys? Also, if this trade was close to happening, wouldn't Aybar be on the bench tonight?

 

Michael Wacha

Top 100 list rankings for 2013

#34 on John Sickels top 150 list

#12 on Baseball America's midseason top 50

#18 on MLB.com's Top 100

#21 on Baseball Prospectus midseason top 50

#32 on ESPN Keith Law's midseason top 50

 

Carlos Martinez

#20 on John Sickels top 150

#24 on Baseball America's midseason top 50

#26 on MLB.com's top 100

#22 on Baseball Prospectus midseason top 50

 

Both guys are obviously very highly ranked on every major list. Both guys have top of the rotation potential. Martinez has the higher ceiling stuff wise, but Wacha has the better floor. Either would be a great get for this team

[m0nkey]

Forget wacha and martinez. I'm pumped about pete kozma baby!

[Stradling]

Thanks a lot BB, Scott and Chuck.

[FireThemAll]

Wacha is a strike thrower. He won't strikeout many batters, but should post a 3.50 - 3.75 ERA long term in the big leagues.

 

Martinez has good stuff, but battles command/control issues. Think Garrett Richards with more upside. 

 

Garrett Richards with more upside?? Richards is a nobody. Martinez is a legit top pitching prospect in baseball. I disagree with this post entirely