More Trayvon/Zimmerman that you probably didn't see.

[TobiasFunke]

That's great that he was getting his ass kicked. I still don't think it gives him a free pass to shoot and kill him. And I'm shocked that so many of you on here do.

[Mudville]

When does ass kicked become murder? When the guy on the bottom getting his ass kicked doesn't have a gun.

 

Really Tobias your argument is beyond reason. The next step from cracking a guys skull against the concrete while pummeling his face is not hop up and reach out a hand and say, "We're all cool, right?"

 

There was no evidence Martin was going to cease his attack. There was no reason for Zimmerman to believe he would and could not risk passing out on the cement and expect to be left at that point. His decision was to end the conflict then, immediately while he still had the ability to do so.

 

 

 

 

That's great that he was getting his ass kicked. I still don't think it gives him a free pass to shoot and kill him. And I'm shocked that so many of you on here do.

[TobiasFunke]

Gee Mudville, you're right! Sorry guys I've had it wrong all along. It's totally ok to shoot and kill anybody who is kicking your ass.

Nothing to see here, move along.

/thread

[Lifetime]

you might want to look into the law on this tobias. The law does allow for self defense when you are getting the crap beaten out of you or your life is threatened, and yes, even with the use of a lethal weapon. Look up disparity of force for example.

 

http://www.useofforce.us/3aojp/

[Spirit]

Gee Mudville, you're right! Sorry guys I've had it wrong all along. 

 

 

 

You're forgiven. 

[Jason]

What should Zimmerman have done while he was getting his ass beat?

[mtangelsfan]

Gee Mudville, you're right! Sorry guys I've had it wrong all along. It's totally ok to shoot and kill anybody who is kicking your ass.

Nothing to see here, move along.

/thread

 

I'm kind of on the fence on this whole situation, but this argument is not well thought out.  There is a difference between getting in a fist fight or being attacked by somebody you don't know and having your head banged into the concrete.  

 

That isn't to say that Zimmerman doesn't hold responsibility either.  When you carry a gun, you have to respect that fact and try not to put yourself in a position to where you would have to use it.

[Lifetime]

I'm kind of on the fence on this whole situation, but this argument is not well thought out.  There is a difference between getting in a fist fight or being attacked by somebody you don't know and having your head banged into the concrete.  

 

That isn't to say that Zimmerman doesn't hold responsibility either.  When you carry a gun, you have to respect that fact and try not to put yourself in a position to where you would have to use it.

Did he put himself in a position where he would have to use it? 

[mp170.6]

That isn't to say that Zimmerman doesn't hold responsibility either.  When you carry a gun, you have to respect that fact and try not to put yourself in a position to where you would have to use it.

 

Are you saying people carrying guns should essentially live their lives differently to avoid an altercation?

[Jason]

Did he put himself in a position where he would have to use it?

Yes, underneath Martin

[TobiasFunke]

I'm kind of on the fence on this whole situation, but this argument is not well thought out. There is a difference between getting in a fist fight or being attacked by somebody you don't know and having your head banged into the concrete.

That isn't to say that Zimmerman doesn't hold responsibility either. When you carry a gun, you have to respect that fact and try not to put yourself in a position to where you would have to use it.

To be honest, I'd love to respond back to you MT but I'm over discussing my opinions about this topic on here.

[mtangelsfan]

Are you saying people carrying guns should essentially live their lives differently to avoid an altercation?

 

Basically, yes.  Death is final.  There isn't going back from it.  I believe that gun ownership is a right, but that right carries a lot of responsibility.  

[Lifetime]

So how does that relate to this case MT? 

[mtangelsfan]

Zimmerman had a gun and used it to end Martin's life.

[Lifetime]

OK, so you don't intend to really discuss this I guess. 

[mtangelsfan]

Clearly not the way you want to.

[Lifetime]

You're better than that MT. 

[Spirit]

Clearly not the way you want to.

 

 

Your brilliance has left me speechless. 

[Kevin]

From what we know, Zimmermann seems like he has told the truth about what happened. Even having passed voice stress detector tests. Some witnesses have even verified his statements. Having said that, if Zimmerman says Martin was going for the gun, is he telling the truth? And if so, does he now have the right to use it?

[Tank]

i wonder what everyone that believes we as a society should be armed all the time thinks of this discussion.

[James]

At the least. I guess I'm just shocked that so many people on here are cool with someone getting shot and killed and all the other guy had to say was, my life was threatened so I should get off with no problems.

I feel that if you take a life there should be consequences.

Just ignore the facts though, right? Most citizens don't jump others and beat their skull in. If you are a citizen and partake in this sort of event, death is always a possibility. Usually, the attacked ends up dead but this time it was the other way around. 

 

There are consequences to taking a life for Zimmerman, they just arent criminal ones. Saying his life was in danger isnt the only reason why he was not guilty, the actual evidence backs up his entire story. 

[Team Cooley]

If I had a gun and someone was beating my ass I am not waiting around to see what happens before I use it.

If you were following my kid around at night you would deserve to get your ass beat...

[mtangelsfan]

If you were following my kid around at night you would deserve to get your ass beat...

 

So what would you do if your neighborhood had a bunch of robberies and you saw somebody you didn't recongize wandering around at night?  Nothing?

[Lifetime]

If you were following my kid around at night you would deserve to get your ass beat...

And your thug kid would deserve a term in prison for at minimum assault and battery

[Team Cooley]

1) I wouldn't follow him

2) I would call the police

 

oh wait... he did and they told him to  not to follow him.

 

and I don't just call the police on people just because I don't know them.