Trade Aybar instead of Howie

[SigBaby]

I personally think that Aybar is the better, more valuable player, but just upon glancing around the majors, there are more teams looking to compete in need of a SS than a 2b. I realize that we would have no one to fill the void, but if we are looking to compete next year, we would need Hamilton and Pujols to hit. If they hit, we can get by with a player like Tommy Field or maybe Brendan Ryan (FA) in the 9 hole. If Hamilton and Pujols dont hit, then we wont be competing anyway.

 

The teams i see in need of a SS are:

A's (Lowrie moves to 2b)

Cardinals

Dodgers? Hanley would have to move to 3rd where they have a hole, but not sure if Dodgers would risk upsetting him.

Pirates

Tigers? If Peralta were to get suspended we would be able to probably get a nice haul for Frieri + Aybar in the offseason.

 

Man i sure would love to get some of those stockpiled good young arms the Cardinals have.

[Tyler]

No, we have zero reliable replacements for either MI position. Dont trade either...

[Ohtaniland]

Pujols would block any trade involving his buddy Aybar.

[SigBaby]

SS FA class is REALLY weak. Best one is Peralta who might get suspended and has 0 range and is 32.

 

Next best is often-injured Stephen Drew who is having a bad year.

[Tyler]

You dont fill a hole by creating another.

[SigBaby]

You dont fill a hole by creating another.

 

As a whole, this teams hole is in the rotation and somewhat bullpen, not in the offense. If Pujols and Hamilton hit anything like they did in years past, then we can deal with a light hitter in the 9 hole. If Pujols and Hamilton can't hit, this team won't compete anyway. By trading Aybar, we can somewhat help the rotation or bullpen, while not hurting the offense that much.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

Trout can play SS. 

[Brent Maguire]

Who replaces Aybar then?

[mancini79]

You trade the player that gets the most return.

[Tyler]

See ya Trout.

[SigBaby]

This deadline/ offseason is when Aybar's value will be at its highest. Potential FA in 2015 include Hardy, HanRam, Asdrubal CAbrera, Jed Lowrie

[Tyler]

The only way I would trade Aybar is to the Yankees with Josh Hamilton.

[SigBaby]

Who replaces Aybar then?

 

No one any good, but if we could get fill ins who can play defense, then the lineup will be able to deal with the loss of Aybar. With or without Aybar, this offense's success rides on Pujols and Hamilton. Tommy Field, Brendan Ryan type players would be his replacement unless Lucho can play SS

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

I'd be fine with trading Aybar, but Ryan doesn't hit enough to be a starting SS. 

 

Fox Sports' John Morosi also suggested that the Angels should trade Aybar and Downs.

 

The Angels are now ten games back of the Athletics in the AL West, and it looks like they should sell at the trade deadline, FOX Sports' Jon Morosi tweets. (Note that Morosi isn't predicting the Angels will sell, only saying that they should.) If the Angels were to sell, Erick Aybar and Scott Downs are two players they could trade, Morosiwrites. Aybar is in the first year of a four-year, $35MM deal, and he's hitting .287/.305/.388 as the Angels' starting shortstop. Downs, who is in the last year of a three-year, $15MM contract, has a 1.32 ERA, albeit with a more pedestrian 6.9 K/9 and 3.3 BB/9.

[Brent Maguire]

I think you keep Aybar unless someone wants to overpay for him. 

 

This team needs more good, cheap players like Aybar and less albatrosses like Hamilton and Pujols.

[SigBaby]

I think you keep Aybar unless someone wants to overpay for him. 

 

This team needs more good, cheap players like Aybar and less albatrosses like Hamilton and Pujols.

Both Pirates and A's are pretty desperate for a SS at the deadline and the Tigers will be in the offseason.

[eaterfan]

I think you keep Aybar unless someone wants to overpay for him. 

 

This team needs more good, cheap players like Aybar and less albatrosses like Hamilton and Pujols.

The problem with this is that we don't have any more young cheap guys like Aybar. To get them we are going to have to trade someone. Aybar, Kendrick, Trumbo and Bourjos are all cheap and young but none are as cheap or as young as prospects are/will be. 

[Brent Maguire]

Jordy Mercer has put up similar numbers as Aybar this year, although I'm not sure if they consider him a long term asset. 

 

A's would be a fit although it's rare to see inter division trades. 

 

A Tigers trade would be interesting since they could use a guy like Frieri at the back end of their pen as well. Maybe an Aybar/Frieri for Smyly/package of prospects type deal. 

[Brent Maguire]

The problem with this is that we don't have any more young cheap guys like Aybar. To get them we are going to have to trade someone. Aybar, Kendrick, Trumbo and Bourjos are all cheap and young but none are as cheap or as young as prospects are/will be. 

The issue lies with the fact that we will be paying Hamilton, Pujols and CJ tons of money for the next half decade. This team is in a tough spot where they need to develop a farm system, keep the major league team productive and spend wisely. Dipoto and company have a really tough road ahead. 

[Docwaukee]

people need to take a step back and attempt to understand the current position of the front office who is still going to think best case scenario.

 

They might recognize that 2013 is lost, but that doesn't mean they are likely to scrap an entire plan because of one bad season. 

 

From their perspective they see:

Albert - long term deal.  not playing at full strength due to injury.  An offseason makes it all better

Josh - took some time to get acclimated, but has looked better the last twenty games.  Even though the last few haven't seen hist numbers improve much, his approach is much better.  In 2014 he will be a true middle of the order bat

Injuries - on top of Albert being hobbled, the losses of Vargas and Weaver for extended periods have amounted to losing a #2 starter for the entire year. 

Hanson - still controllable and if he doesn't come around by season's end, he could be replaced.

Blanton - easily replaceable this offseason with a more capable player

Trout - top 3 player in baseball.  Have to continue to try to win and entice him to sign a long term deal

 

Aybar is solid without and imminent replacement.  His deal is club friendly and although he has value on the trade market, moving him without having someone waiting in the wings would weaken or at least be a net zero for the 2014 club. 

 

If you were gonna move anyone at the deadline, it would be Petey or Trumbo because they have Calhoun and it's also easier to find a productive OFer than it is a SS.  Because Bourjos is injured, Trumbo would make the most sense. 

 

They are two deadline years away from moving Aybar at least.  By that time we might actually have someone in the farm system that could replace him. 

[SigBaby]

Doc-

 

Aybar's value in a couple of deadlines will be nowhere near where it is this deadline/ offseason. Bourjos and Trumbo are both less valuable IMO because they play a position with far less demand and are uncertain commodities. Our offense and team will go as Pujols, Hamilton, Trout, and our pitching goes regardless of whether Aybar is in the lineup or not. Aybar is our most valuable trade piece outside of Trout and his departure wont hurt as much as it helps if we can get some young pitchers out of it.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

I hated the Greinke trade. 

[Docwaukee]

I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing what the current group can do over the next couple of years.  We are stuck with Albert and Josh, let's see if they can't come around. 

 

Get the Cuban kid, re-sign Vargas, Trade Trumbo for a club controlled guy or someone on the verge of breaking into the majors.  Let Garrett cut his teeth as a starter for the rest of the year.  If it appears he can hack it, dump Hanson or keep him as depth.  Give Calhoun the everyday job for the rest of the year.  If you can't get Vargas on a decent deal then trade him

 

Start next year with the following potential rotation guys

Weaver

Wilson

Miguel Gonzalez

Vargas

Richards

Hanson

Blanton

Whoever they get for Trumbo (preferably someone with upside at AA/AAA)

 

Still lack front end potential, but at least their is more depth than having to rely on Barry Enright to spot start.

 

If Calhoun doesn't seem like a legit starter, sign Morneau or another 1b/DH type for a year or two until Cron is potentially ready.  That type of deal wouldn't cost the team a ton and they wouldn't lose much if anything replacing trumbo's production.

 

The pen could be real strong with burnett back and someone to replace downs.

[Docwaukee]

Doc-

 

Aybar's value in a couple of deadlines will be nowhere near where it is this deadline/ offseason. Bourjos and Trumbo are both less valuable IMO because they play a position with far less demand and are uncertain commodities. Our offense and team will go as Pujols, Hamilton, Trout, and our pitching goes regardless of whether Aybar is in the lineup or not. Aybar is our most valuable trade piece outside of Trout and his departure wont hurt as much as it helps if we can get some young pitchers out of it.

 

While I agree on Aybar's value being at it's highest right now, I totally disagree that his departure wouldn't hurt.  There are just no replacements available.  You are leaving a very big hole without him and the FO is not gonna do that.  At least not going into 2014.  They are going to keep the core intact for at least two more years and I can't blame them. 

 

While Josh is on this team, we will see very little movement of reasonable and/or club controlled everyday players.  Especially ones where there is no replacement available.  If the team continues to struggle then they might piecemeal players off that are about to become FAs, but otherwise, what you see now is what you will be seeing thru 2016.