Pete Rose passes away

[Angel Oracle]

48 minutes ago, Angel Dog and Beer said:

Loved his all-out play, and head-first slides. 

Classic footage from 1976 WS

[Duren, Duren]

Rose was a huge part of the Big Red Machine. A true all time great team for most of the seventies. And his stats speak for themselves. HOF by any measure. I even saw him in person that short time with the Expos. 

Yes, he broke the gambling rules of his time. And was punished. But that should be rescinded. Especially because of how gambling has become legitimized in sports.

Gambling is a big part of the income every professional sport. All time great icons promote gambling. 

Drawing lines about who can and can't gamble about this or that misses the point. All sports now advocate gambling. And they know perfectly well that this promotion is seen by kids who will just think gambling is normalized, and something they'll want to participate in because it's promoted by stars and seen constantly. You can't even watch a pre game or  half time show without gambling odds as part of the content. Every media person shills for their sponsors too.

 

 

 

 

[daygloman]

I'm saddened to hear this news.

Part of my childhood just died.

I wish young people these days, knew what seriously great, all around, complete player he was!

Hopefully, one day MLB will let you into the HALL, where I believe you belong!

RIP Pete.

[fan_since79]

1 hour ago, Angel Dog and Beer said:

Loved his all-out play, and head-first slides. 

Watched the video of his 4,192nd hit. It was a single. He flew around first base just in case. He always did that. And of course there were the legendary slides. Never a slacker on the field. Intense will to win. We have nobody on our team even remotely like that. 

[T.G.]

Charlie Hustle was the perfect nickname

 

[jsnpritchett]

8 minutes ago, T.G. said:

Charlie Hustle was the perfect nickname

 

It was originally meant as an insult, but he turned it into something positive.

Edited October 1 by jsnpritchett

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, jsnpritchett said:

It was original meant as an insult, but he turned it into something positive.

So was the term "slugger"..  The purists thought Babe Ruth was ruining the game cause he was hitting HRs and called him a slugger to tear him down.  It's also how the term "pure hitter" came about.  It wss meant to elevate guys like Ty Cobb.

Baseball has always clutched its pearls.

[Slegnaac]

26 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

 We have nobody on our team even remotely like that. 

Maybe not even in all of Major League Baseball.

Edited October 1 by Slegnaac

[Slegnaac]

9 minutes ago, T.G. said:

Charlie Hustle was the perfect nickname

 

As I recall he got the nickname at least partially because as a rookie he would run down to first base after drawing a walk.

[warped]

I wish more players played with the energy he played with.  

[Tank]

4 hours ago, The Ghost of Bob Starr said:

His Japanese or Asian girlfriend wife was a smoke show too.  Adam approved. 

according to info about rose, this is wife #3, and she's been in playboy (sounded like multiple times, fwiw). 

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Slegnaac said:

As I recall he got the nickname at least partially because as a rookie he would run down to first base after drawing a walk.

i think it was joe garagiola who said something to the effect of "he runs down to first base like he's afraid they're gonna take it away from him." he used to run on his home runs, too. 

[fan_since79]

2 hours ago, warped said:

I wish more players played with the energy he played with.  

I wish our players would play with ANY energy. They look half dead out there much of the time. 

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

11 hours ago, TroutBaseball said:

The debate will rage once more. Here is my view. Pete Rose IS already in the Hall of Fame by virtue of his records. Pete Rose should NEVER be **honored** by the Hall of Fame because he gambled on baseball.

 

Nothing would destroy a professional sport like the uncertainty of predetermined outcomes due to gambling. It would turn into professional wrestling. Gambling is THE unforgivable sin within a sport.

 

[Rollinghard]

He admitted to having sex with a 16 year old girl. RIH.

[Chico]

I remember Pete for all those hits and that collision at home plate with Ray Fosse in the 1970 All-Star game. RIP Pete, who was truly in love with playing the game of baseball.        Here's his final interview, from this month.

 

 

[Make Angels Great Again]

I walked by him a few times in a mall in vegas, he would often setup in some sports memorabilia store for autographs.

[T.G.]

Pete Rose and Rickey Henderson are two of the most dynamic players in the history of the game.  They both made watching baseball fun, by the way they played the game. 

[Dtwncbad]

The HOF debate is a whole lot easier to view if you ask yourself this question:

Is a player being inducted into the HOF PRIMARILY an award given to the individual player (to “honor” them personally) or is it PRIMARILY the HOF declaring their decision to acknowledge the player as one of the greatest players of all time?

Obviously the individual player FEELS personally honored and recognized.

But does it make sense to deliberately starve the emotional payoff to the player personally in exchange for having a museum that is now historically inaccurate?

They certainly could have inducted Rose for his greatness as a player and even put accurate language right in his plaque regarding how he shamed himself, and had no honoring ceremony, and “banned” him from all HOF events.

I personally choose historical accuracy over using the inclusion/exclusion as a reward or punishment to a player.

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

15 hours ago, Tank said:

according to info about rose, this is wife #3, and she's been in playboy (sounded like multiple times, fwiw). 

I see Tank. Your “research” discovered that. Well done. 

[Duren, Duren]

Here's a view about Rose and his time with the Expos. Not much ever referenced. "A very flawed guy." 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/pete-rose-made-history-and-left-lasting-mark-during-his-stint-with-the-expos/sn-amp/

[fan_since79]

A crucial out. The play that may have saved the 1980 World Series for the Phillies. Bases loaded in the 9th inning of Game 6, one out and Phillies up 4-1. Phillies fans are familiar with weird collapses. Red Sox fans too, and of course Angels fans.

 

 

[T.G.]

Sadly, Rose is likely to receive a lot of love from a variety of people now that he's gone... It's sad he didn't get to see the outpouring that's happening now.

[Redondo]

 

[mmc]