POLL: Perry Minasian Trade Deadline Grade

[ten ocho recon scout]

4 hours ago, Adam said:

I don't know that Ohtani's value will ever be higher. Disappointing to me they couldn't ship him for a massive haul. They're really going to suck for at least the next few years - probably longer with Trout and Rendon on the books at huge numbers. If they extend Ohtani we're really fucked

I hate to say it, and I'm sure others here are in the same boat (just don't want to admit it), but I think this is spot on.

The Trout / Rendon contracts are going to hurt us bad. I'll give Trout a lifetime pass, and I don't by any stretch think he's done. Rendon is made of glass, and is only getting older... what should have been his best years with us are gone.

We aren't winning with those two, Ohtani, and filler. 

Flipping Ohtani for 2 bona-fide players (that don't have to be all stars, just solid long term solutions, like Howie Kendrick value) that will be around IF Minasians pitching drafts yield 2 bona-fide SPs will help the actual team a lot more than having a really cool once in a lifetime player to watch.

Some will disagree. And I fully get how historic Ohtani is. But we were a far better team pre super duper stars when we had a solid roster top to bottom.

Trading ohtani won't get us back there. But it will get us a lot closer than we've been in years.

I'll be thrilled if we lock Ohtani up.... because I like him that much. It's just likely going to be the wrong move. 

[Puget Sound Angel]

At least I don't have to look at Marsh's nasty ass beard anymore. 

[angelsnationtalk]

I gave it a B for salary dump purposes....

But Perrys comments yesterday has me scared shitless for net season. The Angels have no clue what to do.
They're nowhere near being ready to compete. 

[Dick Enberg]

15 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I gave it a B for salary dump purposes....

But Perrys comments yesterday has me scared shitless for net season. The Angels have no clue what to do.
They're nowhere near being ready to compete. 

its because he is held hostage by Trouts contract.  He's been broke 3 years running now and doesn't look like its going to get better. Trout has lost interest in the game and it shows. 

[T.G.]

25 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

But Perrys comments yesterday has me scared shitless for net season.

 

6 minutes ago, Dick Enberg said:

Trout has lost interest in the game and it shows. 

I read stuff like this and all I can do is laugh.

[totdprods]

2 hours ago, Trendon said:

wish they ate Syndergaard's money for this season to increase the return, but Arte may not have given Perry a choice so I'm not gonna dock Perry to hard on that.

It's also possible that Philly, with a relatively thin farm and owner with deep pockets, wanted to take on the salary and not give up much of a return, and Perry's choices were down to that or keeping Thor.

[BTH]

5 minutes ago, totdprods said:

It's also possible that Philly, with a relatively thin farm and owner with deep pockets, wanted to take on the salary and not give up much of a return, and Perry's choices were down to that or keeping Thor.

It definitely seemed like that was Philly’s preference, so you could be right.

[TroutCron]

1 hour ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I gave it a B for salary dump purposes....

But Perrys comments yesterday has me scared shitless for net season. The Angels have no clue what to do.
They're nowhere near being ready to compete. 

Minasian is in way over his head. His deals at the deadline were amateurish except for the Marsh-O’Hoppe deal. He gave away Syndergaard for absolutely nothing. Taking back Moniak was the most stupid move ever. The Phillies traded a top prospect for Marsh because they were desperate to get a legitimate CF. Minasian acquires the CF from the Phillies who couldn’t win the CF job after being a #1 overall pick in 2016. That is assinine. 

Until Arte relinquishes control of the organization to a real Baseball man, experienced in running a successful organization, the Angels will be competing for the basement in the West.  

[TroutCron]

2 hours ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I gave it a B for salary dump purposes....

But Perrys comments yesterday has me scared shitless for net season. The Angels have no clue what to do.
They're nowhere near being ready to compete. 

I give him a C-. Trading Marsh is a negative but getting a possible starting Catcher for the next several years is a big plus. The problem is that the Angels lack quality OFers in the upper levels of the system which is a big negative. The Syndergaard trade was a huge negative even by Minasian’s standards. The salary dump of Iglesias had to come from Arte, if not what a horrific move. Wait until the off season and make Iglesias available to all the other teams. I was really afraid that he would have traded Ohtani and not get a reasonable return. 

[Swordsman78]

16 minutes ago, TroutCron said:

Minasian is in way over his head. His deals at the deadline were amateurish except for the Marsh-O’Hoppe deal. He gave away Syndergaard for absolutely nothing. Taking back Moniak was the most stupid move ever. The Phillies traded a top prospect for Marsh because they were desperate to get a legitimate CF. Minasian acquires the CF from the Phillies who couldn’t win the CF job after being a #1 overall pick in 2016. That is assinine. 

Until Arte relinquishes control of the organization to a real Baseball man, experienced in running a successful organization, the Angels will be competing for the basement in the West.  

Angels don't need Syndergaard for the rest of this lost season, and they can still sign him as a free agent for next year if they choose to go after him.   Basically they just freed up salary $ as a war chest for Ohtani.

[Dick Enberg]

14 hours ago, Swordsman78 said:

Angels don't need Syndergaard for the rest of this lost season, and they can still sign him as a free agent for next year if they choose to go after him.   Basically they just freed up salary $ as a war chest for Ohtani.

What, freed up 7million? that's like 6 weeks of Ohtani's 2024 salary

[ThisismineScios]

16 hours ago, TroutCron said:

Minasian is in way over his head. His deals at the deadline were amateurish except for the Marsh-O’Hoppe deal. He gave away Syndergaard for absolutely nothing. Taking back Moniak was the most stupid move ever. The Phillies traded a top prospect for Marsh because they were desperate to get a legitimate CF. Minasian acquires the CF from the Phillies who couldn’t win the CF job after being a #1 overall pick in 2016. That is assinine. 

Until Arte relinquishes control of the organization to a real Baseball man, experienced in running a successful organization, the Angels will be competing for the basement in the West.  

 Moniak  is the same age as Marsh, and had a great spring. They were pushing hard for him to get the CF job but Girardi said he needed more ABs. Then he got hurt. He has 100 ABs. He’s not a massive bust. Not yet at least. 

Correction: he had a dominant spring. And was in line to have the job but got hurt the last game of spring. Came back and didn’t get consistent at bats. 

[TroutCron]

10 hours ago, ThisismineScios said:

 Moniak  is the same age as Marsh, and had a great spring. They were pushing hard for him to get the CF job but Girardi said he needed more ABs. Then he got hurt. He has 100 ABs. He’s not a massive bust. Not yet at least. 

Correction: he had a dominant spring. And was in line to have the job but got hurt the last game of spring. Came back and didn’t get consistent at bats. 

Two weeks of ST is hardly enough of a sample size. He has had other opportunities and failed. Right now he is hitting .120

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

On 8/2/2022 at 9:27 PM, aznhockeyguy said:

My grades for the trades:

Marsh for O'Hoppe: A+:  I can't believe Marsh got traded, but after finding out what the Angels got, I definitely was on board with it.  The Angels badly needed an upper level catching prospect and got one in this trade.   Losing Marsh hurts, he was a top 50 prospect and is still very young and maybe could've started to figure it out but it didn't look promising as he's striking out 35% of his at bats.  His glove is great, but is it Gold glove level good?  Debatable.  However, glove first outfielders are easier to find than decent catchers, so I definitely see the reasoning behind this trade.  If Stassi was having the year he had last season, this trade probably wouldn't have happened, but Stassi looks lost now too.  This fills a big need for the Angels for a replaceable player.  If you guys miss Marsh so much, the Angels can always sign Juan Legares again. 

Iglesias for Chavez & Davidson: A+++:  Wow, I can't believe this trade.  Now don't get me wrong, Iglesias is a great reliever and in my book still is.  His peripherals are great, he's just been giving up a lot of meatballs at terrible times. But giving the kind of contract to a closer for a team that has so many holes and is terrible is a giant waste of money.  Now at the time of the extension, I liked the deal because he was great and was worth almost 3 WAR last season, but now after seeing the many glaring holes the team has, the 16 million will hopefully be used well to start building some depth on the roster.  Iglesias also has a concerning drop in velocity and swing and miss rate from last season and he's 32 with 3 more seasons to go.  To get out of a pricey contract, that is in the beginning stages of going south, without retaining or giving up a prospect is a giant win.  Chavez is a bullpen filler for the rest of the year replacing Iglesias.  Davidson was Atlanta's 5th ranked prospect at the start of the season and could be a bottom of the rotation starter or swing guy out of the bullpen.  You can never have too much pitching.  To recap, get out of a pricey contract, got a starting pitcher prospect and a replacement bullpen arm for the rest of the season.  A+++

Syndergaard for Moniak & Sanchez: B-: We all knew Syndergaard was gone when the season started to go south quickly.  He was solid, but when you're paying someone 21 million, you expect star production.  So while Syndergaard did produce, he produced like an above average starter and not a star.  So while it was a worth while gamble to sign him, the gamble didn't produce a jackpot.  Better to get something for him then to keep him and get nothing.  The return is fairly light, but I didn't expect too much for basically an average starter being paid star money. Moniak is Marsh's replacement.  He also strikes out a lot like Marsh.  Maybe Moniak will grow an epic beard like Marsh.  How do you feel if you're Adell? You see your good friend traded and thinking finally LF is all mine, then all of a sudden they trade for someone that's going to battle you for playing time. Guy can't catch a break.  Sanchez might turn into a decent player, which the Angels desperately need everywhere.

I hope these trades signal a rebuild in earnest.  Maybe Ohtani will be traded in the offseason so that teams can adjust offers to match the Angels' needs and replace the pieces they trade.  In a vacuum, I like these deals and give Perry an A. These are worthwhile trades that helps build up the farm system and hopefully produce players that can play at the MLB level and get some depth.  Hopefully Perry and Moreno learned that it's important to build depth and will use the money they've saved more wisely this offseason, but I'm not holding my breath. 

For those of you bashing these trades, this team was deeply flawed at the start of the season.  That 50 game start was a mirage that was helped by the players having super hot starts.  The reality is, this team is way too top heavy and reliant on aging and injury prone players.  Look at teams like the Yankees and Dodgers.  They have a solid deep lineup where there really isn't any easy outs, a deep starting rotation, and devastating bullpens.  They've had their share of injuries but since they have solid farm systems and depth, they're able to keep going.  These type of trades aren't meant to be sexy, but they're meant to help next season's team and beyond.  Will O'Hoppe, Davidson, Moniak, and Sanchez all pan out? Probably not, but if they don't, you're only paying the minimum to find out, plus you'll have 3-4 seasons to find out.  We already know how this season is winding up. 

 

 

Solid points, well written, keep up the Good work!

[Blarg]

Syndergaard with 5 innings pitched (not well) is in line for a win with a rain delay and Marsh is 1 for 2 with a run scored.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

On 8/2/2022 at 11:17 PM, Inside Pitch said:

Yep, would have been ecstatic moving Loup for a used spider cobweb, just to move that salary. 

It's an F for me less because of the actual moves and more because of what comes off as having zero plan.  There needs to be a better end goal than "guys I really need to do better".  

Right now, after last season's "lets build a pen full of different looks" and this season's "let's build a super expensive pen", why should anyone expect different?

Literally just throwing shit on a wall hoping something will stick.

My favorite part.... Reporter: " Can you build a winner in 2023?".  Perry Minasian: "We'll see".

 

Which is why I was interested in them going after a Chafin/Robertson deals during Free Agency. Robertson was like 3M both were like 9M. They spent something like 16M on Loup/Tepera. I also wanted that dude the Giants got from the Cardinals Brebbia?

[ten ocho recon scout]

On 8/2/2022 at 11:17 PM, Inside Pitch said:

Yep, would have been ecstatic moving Loup for a used spider cobweb, just to move that salary. 

 

Loup himself is like a spiderweb that you walked into in the dark.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

9 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Loup himself is like a spiderweb that you walked into in the dark.

Loup would be fine if the sequencing was better. And pushed more about getting ahead in the count instead of playing the corners. I was/am more concerned about his salary..... That was a lot for a backend lefty.

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 minute ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

I was/am more concerned about his salary..... That was a lot for a backend lefty.

It seems like every year our bullpen is backend....

[m0nkey]

51 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Syndergaard with 5 innings pitched (not well) is in line for a win with a rain delay and Marsh is 1 for 2 with a run scored.

Complete game win

[Blarg]

We lost the trade!

[m0nkey]

Moniak had a 1.250 OPS today, even trade!

[Angels 1961]

13 hours ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

Solid points, well written, keep up the Good work!

I agree and who knows if Moniak can be a decent player. Only 24 will be given chance last 60 games.

[Angels 1961]

12 hours ago, Blarg said:

We lost the trade!

Way too early to tell. Halos had zero need for 2 more months of Syndergarrd. Saved 8 mill plus get look at young OF.

[ThisismineScios]

18 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Way too early to tell. Halos had zero need for 2 more months of Syndergarrd. Saved 8 mill plus get look at young OF.

Also…he wasn’t actually that good. Not sure if people on AW actually watch the games or not.