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18 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Although we are still waiting to hear from the A's, a friend who knows a member of the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority says that the city is not overly concerned about the A's decision, because "at least two more clubs" have expressed serious interest. I assumed that it was Tampa Bay (with a dreadful stadium and attendance situation) and Arizona (who already had discussions with the City of Henderson to build a park next to the Raiders' practice facility). Maybe Moreno has called them. I honestly don't know, because the LVCVA isn't disclosing who they have talked to.

Im sure thats true... but i also think MLB would prefer top let the Rays go to Nashville or somewhere that keeps them in the east so i dont think they see that as ideal, but thats just my opinion.
The As seem to prefer staying on Oak, although i dont know why.  Ive been assuming for a long time they would end up in Vegas, but if the Angels are in play with that star power, and you are Vegas, what would you do?
Its just pure speculation on my part, i know nothing, but i dont think MLB wants to re-align or mess all that up so they will prefer to keep teams in the same general region to avoid that necessity. 

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1 hour ago, floplag said:

Im sure thats true... but i also think MLB would prefer top let the Rays go to Nashville or somewhere that keeps them in the east so i dont think they see that as ideal, but thats just my opinion.
The As seem to prefer staying on Oak, although i dont know why.  Ive been assuming for a long time they would end up in Vegas, but if the Angels are in play with that star power, and you are Vegas, what would you do?
Its just pure speculation on my part, i know nothing, but i dont think MLB wants to re-align or mess all that up so they will prefer to keep teams in the same general region to avoid that necessity. 

The Rays moving here would turn divisions upside down, and I am sure that MLB had rather not do that. I am just speculating based upon current situations. The Marlins have awful attendance in Miami, but the city built them a new ballpark in 2012. That would be a tougher sell. Jeffrey Loria had multiple talks with city officials here before they got the new park in Miami.

I really don't understand this "dual path" that the Athletics are pursuing. Pick a city and live with the choice. Period.

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 Vegas has major water issues, so much so that a extremely hot summer could see them trucking in water or shutting down casinos.

Temperatures in August regularly are over 110 degrees. So the ballpark would have to be indoors, or have a retractable roof.

To me, Vegas is not as good as a market as Portland, which is similar size, and both pale in comparison to Southern California.

There are a lot of cities the Angels could relocate to after 2029, if they so choose. I assume Disney would buy the stadium land in minutes, if the Angels announced they're moving.

Long Beach would be fine, but the traffic would be bad, however, anyone who comes to Angels games from the north as I do, it's about the same. 

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38 minutes ago, Hubs said:

 Vegas has major water issues, so much so that a extremely hot summer could see them trucking in water or shutting down casinos.

Temperatures in August regularly are over 110 degrees. So the ballpark would have to be indoors, or have a retractable roof.

To me, Vegas is not as good as a market as Portland, which is similar size, and both pale in comparison to Southern California.

There are a lot of cities the Angels could relocate to after 2029, if they so choose. I assume Disney would buy the stadium land in minutes, if the Angels announced they're moving.

Long Beach would be fine, but the traffic would be bad, however, anyone who comes to Angels games from the north as I do, it's about the same. 

From someone with the Southern Nevada Water Authority, our water issues are overblown. We won't run out of water.

The proposed ballpark for the A's has a retractable roof. Arizona deals with the same issues.

Vs. Portland/SC: Four words. No state income tax. That has already been a major drawing card for the NHL Golden Knights, and it is also bearing fruit for the NFL Raiders.

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6 hours ago, floplag said:

Raiders (how many times now?), Rams.. it happens, people leave the LA market for various reasons.
MLB would approve a number of option in my opinion, especially for example Mexico City and/or likely Las Vegas.  Neither would even require any divisional issues as Mex City is as east as Texas.

You can’t compare football to baseball in this scenario.  One has a National TV contract the other is a Regional TV contract.  So the owner of a team in LA gets the same amount of TV money as the owner of the LV owner.  In baseball the difference could be over $100 million annually in TV money.  

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25 minutes ago, Stradling said:

You can’t compare football to baseball in this scenario.  One has a National TV contract the other is a Regional TV contract.  So the owner of a team in LA gets the same amount of TV money as the owner of the LV owner.  In baseball the difference could be over $100 million annually in TV money.  

There is also the reality that another city can't offer a team money and a stadium to get them to move in MLB like they can in the NFL.   The two situations aren't remotely similar other than they were sports teams and they moved cities.

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2 hours ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

From someone with the Southern Nevada Water Authority, our water issues are overblown. We won't run out of water.

The proposed ballpark for the A's has a retractable roof. Arizona deals with the same issues.

Vs. Portland/SC: Four words. No state income tax. That has already been a major drawing card for the NHL Golden Knights, and it is also bearing fruit for the NFL Raiders.

I saw an article that said they may have to ration water and shut down events in the summer, if Lake Mead drops any lower. But obviously you would know more than I.

Oregon doesn't have a sales tax and Washington doesn't have an income tax. Portland sits on the border basically with Washington.

Vegas has 2.2 ish Million residents and now two major sports franchises (Baseball, Basketball, Football, Hockey). I'm not counting MLS. Of course they also have a lot of tourism. But can they support all 4 leagues, as the NBA clearly has designs on a team there. 

Portland has 2.5 Million residents, but only one sports franchise. They did have a AAA team, but they removed that for the MLS, but...

Nashville has 1.96 Million residents and two sports franchises in the Titans and NHL's Predators. They are always mentioned in relocation efforts. 

But the teams that people say are relocating, seem to all have better deals --> Oakland/SF/SJ Metro area has nearly 8 million people, with 5 major sports franchises. They had 6, but lost the Raiders.

Tampa has 3.24 million people, but they built their godawful baseball ballpark so far from downtown Tampa. They have three sports franchises in the Lightning, Bucs and Rays.

Greater Los Angeles has nearly 19 Million people, with 8 sports franchises. No one is leaving Greater Los Angeles for anywhere else. 

 

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8 hours ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Although we are still waiting to hear from the A's, a friend who knows a member of the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority board says that the city is not overly concerned about the A's decision, because "at least two more clubs" have expressed serious interest. I assumed that it was Tampa Bay (with a dreadful stadium and attendance situation) and Arizona (who already had discussions with the City of Henderson about building a ballpark next to the Raiders' practice facility). Maybe Moreno has called them. I honestly don't know, because the LVCVA isn't disclosing who they have talked to.

Why would Arizona leave? 

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Tired of playing in an airplane hangar in front of mostly Dodger fans?

It's true for Diamondbacks, Marlins and Rays: where people can see a variety of teams in spring training every day, they're not as likely to pay higher prices to see regular season games. Expansion to Arizona and Florida was a huge MLB mistake. 

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3 minutes ago, Dollar Bill said:

Tired of playing in an airplane hangar in front of mostly Dodger fans?

It's true for Diamondbacks, Marlins and Rays: where people can see a variety of teams in spring training every day, they're not as likely to pay higher prices to see regular season games. Expansion to Arizona and Florida was a huge MLB mistake. 

Spring training tickets for the Angels are just as expensive as regular season games. 

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16 hours ago, Hubs said:

I saw an article that said they may have to ration water and shut down events in the summer, if Lake Mead drops any lower. But obviously you would know more than I.

Oregon doesn't have a sales tax and Washington doesn't have an income tax. Portland sits on the border basically with Washington.

Vegas has 2.2 ish Million residents and now two major sports franchises (Baseball, Basketball, Football, Hockey). I'm not counting MLS. Of course they also have a lot of tourism. But can they support all 4 leagues, as the NBA clearly has designs on a team there. 

Portland has 2.5 Million residents, but only one sports franchise. They did have a AAA team, but they removed that for the MLS, but...

Nashville has 1.96 Million residents and two sports franchises in the Titans and NHL's Predators. They are always mentioned in relocation efforts. 

But the teams that people say are relocating, seem to all have better deals --> Oakland/SF/SJ Metro area has nearly 8 million people, with 5 major sports franchises. They had 6, but lost the Raiders.

Tampa has 3.24 million people, but they built their godawful baseball ballpark so far from downtown Tampa. They have three sports franchises in the Lightning, Bucs and Rays.

Greater Los Angeles has nearly 19 Million people, with 8 sports franchises. No one is leaving Greater Los Angeles for anywhere else. 

 

 

The big difference between Vegas and Portland, even though their populations are near the same, is the road crowd.  Knights and Raiders have inflated ticket prices because not only are people buying the season tickets.  But Vegas is the perfect city for fans of other teams to take a road trip vacation to.  

In the end though.  Like the Raiders, teams will move there if the city puts up money for a stadium.  Something Anaheim or Oakland, and I'm sure Portland will not do.  But Vegas would just see it as a way to increase tourism.

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15 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Why would Arizona leave? 

Stadium issues is what I heard. The talks were done in secret until after they were over and nothing came to fruition. City officials initiated them, but team ownership was listening.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/henderson/henderson-quietly-tried-to-lure-arizona-diamondbacks-to-southern-nevada-1816323/

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3 hours ago, gotbeer said:

 

The big difference between Vegas and Portland, even though their populations are near the same, is the road crowd.  Knights and Raiders have inflated ticket prices because not only are people buying the season tickets.  But Vegas is the perfect city for fans of other teams to take a road trip vacation to.  

In the end though.  Like the Raiders, teams will move there if the city puts up money for a stadium.  Something Anaheim or Oakland, and I'm sure Portland will not do.  But Vegas would just see it as a way to increase tourism.

But with so much else to do, they won't probably get a fan base like the Knights have. The Raiders have like maybe 10 games a year. 81 is a lot harder sell. They need a dedicated home fan base, and I don't know that you get that in Vegas with two other options. With Portland, you only compete with Blazers in April and May.

 

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49 minutes ago, Hubs said:

But with so much else to do, they won't probably get a fan base like the Knights have. The Raiders have like maybe 10 games a year. 81 is a lot harder sell. They need a dedicated home fan base, and I don't know that you get that in Vegas with two other options. With Portland, you only compete with Blazers in April and May.

 

If you have a dome in vegas, I don't see it being an issue.  There isn't much to do in Vegas in the hot summer days.  Well, there is stuff to do, but you get the picture.  A ball game, indoors on a hot summer night is a pretty easy sell in Vegas.  

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On 5/25/2022 at 12:04 AM, Second Base said:

Bad for all parties involved. Anaheim will be hard-pressed to attract local developers to come in and pay more than the 350 million Moreno was paying, particularly without guarantee the Angels will be there long term, as they're the main attraction on that side away from Disney. Moreno benefited as well, getting the opportunity to upgrade the stadium and build an entertainment district that benefits the Angels and Anaheim. 

Gotta figure this will get messy. 

Actually, the Anaheim Ducks are. The question is, what will happen to Anaheim Stadium and the Platinum Triangle?

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11 minutes ago, W.E. Baxter Author said:

Actually, the Anaheim Ducks are. The question is, what will happen to Anaheim Stadium and the Platinum Triangle?

I like them, but the Ducks bring in a FRACTION of the attendance the Angels do, and aren't the draw the Angels are. The Ducks alone, on their own, on that side of Anaheim will not draw the masses. Hockey simply isn't baseball, at least not in sunny states. 

Even if Angel Stadium changes to an event center, your just not going to have the surrounding infrastructure to create an entertainment district. 

The deal really is in the best interest of both sides. Arte won't get so much land, so located and cheap anywhere else in So-Cal and Anaheim will not find a single developer that can offer as much as the Angels, nor offer the necessary draw to build infrastructure, particularly if the Angels skip town. 

The Angels don't need Anaheim, but it remains the absolute best spot for them, by far. Comparatively, nowhere else makes as much sense. Anaheim though, they need the Angels. 

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Sorry to hear this, but The Angels haven't belonged in Anaheim since 2005. They really need to leave now that the deal has fallen through. I don't know why they can't play in Los Angeles. That's their city. Also, California isn't what it use to be, and people have been flocking away from there more and more. Colorado is one of the states Californians have been coming to. I'm in Colorado to stay, but we have an MLB Team here. North Carolina is another state people from California has been moving to. Charlotte could more than support an MLB Team, and it would be a good place for a team like The Angels.

 

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