Bobby Abreu HOFer?

[happybat4]

5 minutes ago, Lou said:

lol.

.395 vs .388

I'd rather have a batter get a hit than walk. 

 

What about home runs, doubles and stolen bases. We aren't saying Gwynn wasn't great, his ability to hit the ball where the runners weren't was amazing. I also don't let that limit my ability to see Abreu was almost as good because he had other contributions that Gwynn didn't have. We're talking about two great players that are hall of fame/borderline HOF. I think Gwynn was a better ball player, and WAR certainly agrees with that. But Abreu was no slouch and deserved to be in the HOF conversation.

[Lou]

5 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I'll take the RBI's. Abreu did that better, as well.

Not when he walked. 

That's the argument. 

[Lou]

1 minute ago, happybat4 said:

What about home runs, doubles and stolen bases. We aren't saying Gwynn wasn't great, his ability to hit the ball where the runners weren't was amazing. I also don't let that limit my ability to see Abreu was almost as good because he had other contributions that Gwynn didn't have. We're talking about two great players that are hall of fame/borderline HOF. I think Gwynn was a better ball player, and WAR certainly agrees with that. But Abreu was no slouch and deserved to be in the HOF conversation.

My statement was about walks vs hits. 

[happybat4]

7 minutes ago, Lou said:

Runners on 2nd and 3rd, no outs. 

Which do you prefer, a hit or an out? 

I'd prefer the player that was least likely to make an out, which would have been Abreu.

 

[tdawg87]

Just now, Lou said:

Not when he walked. 

That's the argument. 

No it isn't. You said would I rather take the out. 

Btw in the hypothetical both guys are probably getting walked.

[happybat4]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

My statement was about walks vs hits. 

And mine is about home runs, doubles and stolen bases.

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, happybat4 said:

l also don't let that limit my ability to see Abreu was almost as good because he had other contributions that Gwynn didn't have

So you agree that Gwynn was better. 

[Lou]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

No it isn't. You said would I rather take the out. 

Btw in the hypothetical both guys are probably getting walked.

My bad. That should have been a hit or a walk.

 

[happybat4]

Just now, Lou said:

So you agree that Gwynn was better. 

Yes. Just not lights year better. They brought pretty similar value overall, but Gwynn brought a little more because of his defense.

[tdawg87]

Just now, Lou said:

My bad. That should have been a hit or a walk.

 

Dumbass.

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, happybat4 said:

And mine is about home runs, doubles and stolen bases.

Then you jumped into a discussion and tried to change it. 

I'll pass. 

[Lou]

24 minutes ago, happybat4 said:

Yes. Just not lights year better. They brought pretty similar value overall, but Gwynn brought a little more because of his defense.

Who said he was light years better?  You're making arguments that just aren't there. 

[happybat4]

22 minutes ago, Lou said:

Who said he was light years better?  You're making arguments that just aren't there. 

I just like yelling at clouds.

[Lou]

8 minutes ago, happybat4 said:

We're talking about two great players that are hall of fame/borderline HOF. 

LOL  Borderline?

Gwynn received 97.6% of the votes when he was elected to the HOF. 

 

[Lou]

Just now, happybat4 said:

I just like yelling at clouds.

lol

[Lou]

6 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Dumbass.

That's not nice. 

[happybat4]

8 minutes ago, Lou said:

LOL  Borderline?

Gwynn received 97.6% of the votes when he was elected to the HOF. 

 

What does % have to do about anything? 

[Lou]

4 minutes ago, happybat4 said:

What does % have to do about anything? 

It proves that he wasn't a borderline selection. It was almost unanimous. 

[happybat4]

Just now, Lou said:

It proves that he wasn't a borderline selection. It was almost unanimous. 

Yep he got a higher % than Mickey Mantle.

 

I said HOF/Borderline HOF players. Gwynn is HOF and Abreu is borderline. Your making an argument out of nothing.

[Lou]

Just now, happybat4 said:

Yep he got a higher % than Mickey Mantle.

 

I said HOF/Borderline HOF players. Gwynn is HOF and Abreu is borderline. Your making an argument out of nothing.

You didn't specify which was which.

 

 

 

 

*You're

[arch stanton]

Fascinating debate but a quick note on the 1999 all star game. Weren't the reserves chosen by the manager of the WS teams from the previous year? Anyone remember who was NL champs in 1998? Maybe he had a little bias toward Gwynn. Just a thought

[Lou]

Just now, arch stanton said:

Fascinating debate but a quick note on the 1999 all star game. Weren't the reserves chosen by the manager of the WS teams from the previous year? Anyone remember who was NL champs in 1998? Maybe he had a little bias toward Gwynn. Just a thought

So he wasn't chosen because he was popular? 

Interesting...

[happybat4]

2 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

Fascinating debate but a quick note on the 1999 all star game. Weren't the reserves chosen by the manager of the WS teams from the previous year? Anyone remember who was NL champs in 1998? Maybe he had a little bias toward Gwynn. Just a thought

Gwynn was voted in by the fans. He didn't play because of an injury. 

[happybat4]

11 minutes ago, Lou said:

You didn't specify which was which.

 

 

 

 

*You're

Why would you assume Abreu is the HOF player and Gwynn is the borderline?

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, happybat4 said:

Why would you assume Abreu is the HOF player and Gwynn is the borderline?

Because he had a higher OBP.