Noah Syndergaard - Angels Agree to 1-Year, $21 Million Deal

[eligrba]

Iglesius is also important for the Win Now mode.  Going cheap on a closer would be such an Angel move......

[Mark68]

Good start. I see a trade for another pitcher in the future (or a SS/backup C). I would like a solid innings-eater to round out the rotation. Just in case Thor's brittle nature rears its ugly head...

[Warfarin]

1 minute ago, ScruffytheJanitor said:

Uh.... so you'd be cool rolling into the season with a dumpster fire in the bull pen, a giant hole at SS, and a massive question mark at catcher? Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled if we get Sherzer, but can we at least get Aaron Loup and a few warm bodies to fill out the roster?

Sorry, I didn't mean to say just those 2 signings and nothing else, but rather, those 2 signings and replacement-level type options to fill out the roster.  Benches and bullpens can be cobbled together fairly easily to generate decent results, at least by strong FOs.  No, they wouldn't be lockdown, but with a top 3 rotation in baseball and one of the top offenses, we could get by with a middling/subpar bench and/or bullpen.

[Ariamus]

42 minutes ago, vladdy#27 said:

Hopefully this works out better than the last superhero we signed from the Mets

See, that's where you're wrong... Thor's a god, not a superhero

[Dtwncbad]

3 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

You have to assume hes "healthy". If not the guy he was, at least able to get through the year. 

If thats the case, and he comes here pitching for a multi-year deal, then this should be pretty good.

Im as leary as a few of you on here. But even though its expensive, its roughly the same as we've wasted on the usual suspect trash the past several years 

The deal is pending a physical.  He either shows as healthy or he doesn’t.  If he shows as healthy, I want this guy.

[floplag]

I like it, dont really care about the draft pick right now this club needs to win at the ML level, now.
The only question i have is whether this is the beginning, or the end?  Is he the piece, or the compliment.
Will we still either go out and sign another to a longer term deal such as a Stroman, or make a trade for one such as the rumored Mia or Cin options.
If i had to guess right now, i think more likely a trade is coming as we still have other issues to address.
But this is definitely an encouraging start, i hope

[ScruffytheJanitor]

 

2 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

Sorry, I didn't mean to say just those 2 signings and nothing else, but rather, those 2 signings and replacement-level type options to fill out the roster.  Benches and bullpens can be cobbled together fairly easily to generate decent results, at least by strong FOs.  No, they wouldn't be lockdown, but with a top 3 rotation in baseball and one of the top offenses, we could get by with a middling/subpar bench and/or bullpen.

I misread your post. I think Catcher and SS could easily be filled with defensive or replacement level players in that scenario. I'd still prefer we add SOME certainty to the bullpen. 

[ScruffytheJanitor]

6 minutes ago, eligrba said:

Iglesius is also important for the Win Now mode.  Going cheap on a closer would be such an Angel move......

We could easily add Colin McHugh and Kendall Graveman (maybe more) for what Iglesias is making and arguably be better off. 

[Warfarin]

1 minute ago, ScruffytheJanitor said:

 

I misread your post. I think Catcher and SS could easily be filled with defensive or replacement level players in that scenario. I'd still prefer we add SOME certainty to the bullpen. 

I agree.  Remember, Minasian did trade basically nothing to acquire Iglesias last winter.  I'm optimistic he can utilize some creativity to find a decent replacement via trade and/or free agency.  It's much harder to find legit SP.

SS will likely be a hole we'll have, but if we can find someone who at least plays good defense, I'm willing to accept that hole if it's in the context of having a trio of Scherzer/Ohtani/Syndergaard at the top of the rotation.

[Dtwncbad]

7 minutes ago, ScruffytheJanitor said:

Uh.... so you'd be cool rolling into the season with a dumpster fire in the bull pen, a giant hole at SS, and a massive question mark at catcher? Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled if we get Sherzer, but can we at least get Aaron Loup while we are getting warm bodies to fill out the roster?

Except there is documented history of being able to address a bullpen with smart, not necessarily expensive moves.  There is documented history of teams being able to win with an OK shortstop.  And I honestly don’t see the panic at catcher.

There is really not a whole lot of documented history of teams winning with no decent starting pitching.

The Angels are not done.  I expect many, many more moves.

Not having those other things resolved yet does not make this signing a bad move.

[angelsnationtalk]

Shohei Ohtani
2019: Tommy John Surgery
2020: 2 GS, 1.2 IP
2021: 23 GS, 130.1 IP, 3.18 ERA, 3.51 FIP, 3.0 fWAR

Noah Syndergaard
2020: Tommy John Surgery
2021: 2 Games; 2 IP
2022: ?

The #LAAngels got quality production 2 years out from Ohtani’s TJ. Same spot for Syndergaard now.

— nmbaseball (@nmbaseball) November 16, 2021

[ten ocho recon scout]

Hopefully this is a sign that we are willing to spend.

Like we all expected 50 mill this year in free agents... hopefully thats still there, and this one year contract is the "bonus" spending, and we still see them sign a stroman, retain iglesias, etc

[Jason]

The Halos need a SP now and not a 2nd round pick that may or may not develop into anything. I like this signing 

[Erstad Grit]

This offseason for our rotation I wanted..

1:  One SP potential ace with high floor. 180 innings a good expectation. One of Ray / Gausman / or Stroman would be a good fit.

2: One SP potential ace with risk. Could be amazing but could flop due to injury or age. Thor absolutely fits this. (Also Kershaw and Verlander) 

3. One SP serviceable, but with low risk. One of Cobb / Wood / Gray even Greinke or many others. 

We're on our way!

Edited November 16, 2021 by Erstad Grit

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Ohtani may be a mutant so this isn't a fair comparison 

[Dtwncbad]

Also just a reminder that if the Angels add to the starting rotation that increases the number of in-house arms to be in the bullpen.  Young guys not quite ready for the rotation can be pretty damn good bullpen pieces.

[jsnpritchett]

 

[Warfarin]

1 minute ago, Erstad Grit said:

This offseason for our rotation I wanted..

1:  One SP potential ace with high floor. 180 innings a good expectation. One of Ray / Gausman / or Stroman would a be fit.

2: One SP potential ace with risk. Could be amazing but could flop due to injury or age. Thor absolutely fits this. (Also Kershaw and Verlander) 

3. One SP serviceable, but with low risk. One of Cobb / Wood / Gray even Greinke or many others. 

We're on our way!

I get the feeling this FO will probably shy away from long contracts for SPs for the most part.  I don't see a Ray/Gausman/etc, or anyone who commands 5 or more years.

I think they will save that long-term contract for Ohtani, and instead search for shorter-term commitments for FA SPs.

[Dtwncbad]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

Ohtani may be a mutant so this isn't a fair comparison 

Well if he was a mutant then he would not have needed surgery.

[Angel Dog and Beer]

Dat hair tho

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

Ohtani may be a mutant so this isn't a fair comparison 

He also didn't have major complications returning from his surgery (at least that I remember) nor did he contract COVID.

[Jason]

Just now, Dtwncbad said:

Well if he was a mutant then he would not have needed surgery.

Mutants can still get injured. You haven't watched the X-Men movies? 

[Angel Oracle]

What would really be a Halos thing is signing Thor for one season and lose the 2nd round pick AND Thor.

Who trades a second round pick for a one season rental?   And can’t offer that rental a QO?

They better be focused on re-signing him if he pitches well!

 

Edited November 16, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[Dtwncbad]

Just now, jsnpritchett said:

 

As if this is the wrong way to be?

Arte is 75 years old and far richer now than ever before in his life.  Every person on earth in his exact situation would also be in “win now” mode.

 

[Jason]

Just now, Angel Oracle said:

What would really be a Halos thing is signing Thor for one season and lose the 2nd round pick AND Thor.

Who trades a second round pick for a one season rental?

They better be focused on re-signing him if he pitches well!

I would think that is part of the plan. There is a real chance they don't get a talented arm had they not made a deal like this