Angels won't bring back Brian Butterfield (3rd base coach)

[jsnpritchett]

 

[jsnpritchett]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/10/angels-part-ways-with-third-base-coach-brian-butterfield.html

"The Angels have “let go” Brian Butterfield, according to MLB Network’s Jon Heyman.

Butterfield came over to the Angels from the Cubs prior to the 2020 season, which coincided with Joe Maddon’s move from being the Cubs’ manager to being the Angels’ manager. Butterfield was a part of Maddon’s staff in Chicago for the 2018 and 2019 seasons, meaning this will conclude a four-year run as squad mates for the two. Maddon still has one year remaining on the three-year deal he signed with the Angels prior to the 2020 season.

The 63-year-old Butterfield has a coaching career that goes all the way back to 1994. Over the span, he has spent time with the Yankees, Diamondbacks, Blue Jays and Red Sox, before his most recent jobs with the Cubs and Angels."

[Inside Pitch]

4 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

 

So, the elite catching coach and the "elite" IF coach got axed -- clearly it was THEIR fault the defense was bad.  They should have coached guys so they could overcome the horseshit defensive alignments

[AngelsFaninGA]

This sounds like the part where incompetent upper management fires everyone below them to deflect the blame. Now we just need some quotes from Maddon about "accountability." 

[T.G.]

Butterfield, Buttercup... it had to happen.

[angelsnationtalk]

The hell is Heyman doing breaking west coat news at 5:30am? 

Angels FO have an early tee time or something?

[Revad]

16 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

So, the elite catching coach and the elite IF coach got axed -- clearly it was THEIR fault the defense was bad.  They should have coached guys so they could overcome the horseshit defensive alignments

Two highly respected coaches that belong in the organization, and just like that.  The replacements have a very high bar to me at least.

[failos]

Hopefully Maddon is next

[UndertheHalo]

It would be really funny if Maddon is just assembling a coaching staff that’s more or less the Expendables of anti analytics guys.  

Edited October 18, 2021 by UndertheHalo

[angelsnationtalk]

26 minutes ago, Revad said:

Two highly respected coaches that belong in the organization, and just like that.  The replacements have a very high bar to me at least.

Minasian probably doesn't like Maddon's coaching, but Arte told Minasian that he can't fire him. He's probably only allowed to move others and that's what he's doing. 

Even though the others (except the pitching coach) are good coaches.....

I'd expect us to find a new pitching coach too.

Edited October 18, 2021 by angelsnationtalk

[bruin5]

Just curious.  How do we really know that Butterfield was a great coach?  John Heyman says so, but based on what?  

Oh, wait, he helped Derek Jeter learn to play shortstop and he was a Yankee 20 years ago.  Obviously, that makes him elite, not the work that Jeter put into it.  

Same with Jose Molina.  The only comment I saw from a player was Taylor Ward.  Of course, Taylor is not playing catcher.  Matt Thaiss has yet to be heard from.   

We don’t know if commentators like Heyman or Timms really have a ranking list of all coaches or if their take is based on personal interactions (which is often is for reporters). 

[totdprods]

Wonder if DiSarcina comes back now, since the Mets cut him loose from 3B coach over there.

[Blarg]

Oh, please, no.

[Docwaukee]

I don't know squat about the coaching abilities of either butterfield or molina.  But this has a major scapegoat vibe.  

[T.G.]

1 hour ago, bruin5 said:

Just curious.  How do we really know that Butterfield was a great coach?  John Heyman says so, but based on what?  

Oh, wait, he helped Derek Jeter learn to play shortstop and he was a Yankee 20 years ago.  Obviously, that makes him elite, not the work that Jeter put into it.  

Same with Jose Molina.  The only comment I saw from a player was Taylor Ward.  Of course, Taylor is not playing catcher.  Matt Thaiss has yet to be heard from.   

We don’t know if commentators like Heyman or Timms really have a ranking list of all coaches or if their take is based on personal interactions (which is often is for reporters). 

I don't think anyone is arguing that Butterfield is great. 

[T.G.]

I expect the team store manager, head of parking and the entire stadium landscaping team to go next.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Probably just saving money. They figured nobody is gonna round 3rd next year anyway

[Justin]

2 minutes ago, True Grich said:

I expect the team store manager, head of parking and the entire stadium landscaping team to go next.

Come on, now, the team store manager is widely respected as the best in the division. 

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, bruin5 said:

Just curious.  How do we really know that Butterfield was a great coach?  John Heyman says so, but based on what?  

Should probably ask Maddon, Butterfield and Buss were his boys, he talked them both up quite a bit.

 

[Inside Pitch]

6 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Probably just saving money. They figured nobody is gonna round 3rd next year anyway

Oh shit -- they have to pay for that minor league housing now.   

[BTH]

3 hours ago, angelsnationtalk said:

The hell is Heyman doing breaking west coat news at 5:30am? 

Angels FO have an early tee time or something?

Heyman probably got that information from Butterfield or industry sources, not from Angels sources.

He also probably broke the news early because he probably woke up and started asking his sources about any news from over the weekend.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Butterfield helped Derek Jeter learn SS to the tune of a negative 9.4 dWAR.

[Lhalo]

3 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Butterfield helped Derek Jeter learn SS to the tune of a negative 9.4 dWAR.

Most overrated defensive shortstop in the history of the game.

[Angels 1961]

As a third base coach you have quota to meet. Waving in X amount of runners. Butterfield did not meet his number. 

[Angels 1961]

K R said you have to know when to holdem and know when to  send them in and never go to far down the line.