What do you reasonably hope to see from Marsh and Adell next year?

[Angelsjunky]

Just 2022, not their utmost potential. In other words, what's the over/under for whether or not you'll be disappointed with their performance?

Vote.

[tdawg87]

I'll just use WAR.

Marsh: 4.5

Adell: 3.5

Similar offensive numbers overall but Marsh will get the nudge because he'll play more CF.

[jsnpritchett]

4 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I'll just use WAR.

Marsh: 4.5

Adell: 3.5

Similar offensive numbers overall but Marsh will get the nudge because he'll play more CF.

Only 18 position players in the AL had more 4.5 or more bWAR this season.  38 had 3.5 or more.  I sure hope you're right, but my guess is that those probably aren't "reasonable" expectations for Marsh and Adell next year.

[Junkballer]

I voted Good Player for Marsh but I wouldn't necessarily be disappointed if he was a Solid Player in his sophomore season.  I'd be very happy with Adell being a Solid Player next year if that includes a good jump in defense and consistency.  His power will fully develop with another 1-2 years under his belt.  Still just 23 at the end of spring training.

[BTH]

I voted "solid player" both.

I expect Marsh to have at least 2 fWAR because he should easily get there with a full season in CF and something close to a league average bat. If he's league average or better with the bat, it's probably close to 3 WAR.

As for Adell, I'd happily take the stats you associated with "solid player." I'm still concerned that, for next season, his bat may not fully come around. I could see him having a below league average offensive season that only nets him like 0.5-1 WAR.

[BTH]

I think that there should be another tier between "solid player" and "bust" for both of them.

If there was one, that's what I'd choose for Adell.

I like Marsh's floor because he had 1.0 fWAR in 260 PA's with only an 86 wRC+. So if he has a similar wRC+ and gets a full season of playing time, that's 2 fWAR. If he has a full season of playing time and gets to a league average bat, that may be 2.5-3 fWAR.

[Docwaukee]

Marsh - good player

Adell - solid player 

[tdawg87]

1 hour ago, jsnpritchett said:

Only 18 position players in the AL had more 4.5 or more bWAR this season.  38 had 3.5 or more.  I sure hope you're right, but my guess is that those probably aren't "reasonable" expectations for Marsh and Adell next year.

I don't care.

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

I don't care.

[UndertheHalo]

I’d be fine with both of them being reasonable every day players.  I don’t think it can be overstated how big that would be.  If we 2-2.5 WAR out of both of them that really would be fine. 

[Bronson]

21 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

I'll just use WAR.

Marsh: 4.5

Adell: 3.5

Similar offensive numbers overall but Marsh will get the nudge because he'll play more CF.

Wow if they both put up a combined 8 WAR… pretty sure that means we will make the playoffs with ease. that’s literally 8 more wins before Trout and Rendon. add another 10 there easily. that’s a 18 win swing.

[jsnpritchett]

1 hour ago, Bronson said:

Wow if they both put up a combined 8 WAR… pretty sure that means we will make the playoffs with ease. that’s literally 8 more wins before Trout and Rendon. add another 10 there easily. that’s a 18 win swing.

I will again point out that that's not how WAR works.

[totdprods]

Turned into pitching.

 

 

 

 

It’s a joke! Relax.

[Revad]

I hope they don’t trade any outfielders but it’s fairly likely they will.  As a fan that’s been waiting (as many others here have stated) for an outfield of Trout, Adell and Marsh it would suck.  I want Adams too, he could turn out to be better than Adell or Marsh.

[steveuk]

It depends which club they are playing for - Angels:Bust, elsewhere: solid/good 

[HanfordGuy]

I voted “good” for both but now I’m thinking they have solid seasons. They need to cut down on their strike out rate, especially Marsh but he does walk more than Adell. If they are both getting regular ABs and batting in the bottom 1/3 of the lineup, they should put up solid numbers. So far, more votes for good for Marsh, is anyone worried about a negative regression with his high strike out rate and .403 BAbip?

[tdawg87]

5 minutes ago, HanfordGuy said:

I voted “good” for both but now I’m thinking they have solid seasons. They need to cut down on their strike out rate, especially Marsh but he does walk more than Adell. If they are both getting regular ABs and batting in the bottom 1/3 of the lineup, they should put up solid numbers. So far, more votes for good for Marsh, is anyone worried about a negative regression with his high strike out rate and .403 BAbip?

His BABIP will go down quite a bit but he's got good speed and can square up the ball so it could still hang in the .330 range.

His K rate will go down. Don't get me wrong, he's going to strike out a lot, but a 35% K rate isn't going to last for a guy like him.

I also see his BB rate possibly doubling. He's got too good of an approach to walk like Fletcher. 

All that, combined with him remembering to swing at strikes and spit at balls (gross) will lead to a good season.

[Reveille1984]

I think Marsh will eventually settle into a 2.5 to 3.0 WAR guy.  Probably something like .260/.330/.410 with good speed and defense.  His lack of plus power is always going to limit his ceiling.

Adell, who knows really.  If he can continue his development on the trajectory of what he did in AAA last year (.290/.340/.590) that would be phenomenal for us, but I feel it's going to take him a while to get there (if ever).  He cut his K rate significantly in the show this year, but at the expense of sapping his power.  I could see him anywhere from 1.0 to 4.0 WAR in a full MLB season based on how he adjusts.

[Inside Pitch]

If you can get 2.5-3.0 bWAR out of both next year you call it a win and lick your chops thinking about 2023.

[tdawg87]

You know what fuck you guys.

Marsh: 6.8 WAR

Adell: 6.7 WAR

[Angels 1961]

At the end of 2022 a world series ring. 

[tdawg87]

3 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

At the end of 2022 a world series ring. 

I like the cut of your jib you weird fuck

[Inside Pitch]

18 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

You know what fuck you guys.

Marsh: 6.8 WAR

Adell: 6.7 WAR

I was just saying that if you get 4-6 WAR out of those guys combined, that's better than they have been able to get from the corners since what??? 2004??? And that was Guillen and Vlad in the corners with GA in CF.  They haven't had a season where they got at least 0.5 WAR from each of the OF positions (total for all players starters and reserves) since 2009.

Seriously 2.0 WAR seasons from both those guys would make for one of the best OFs since the golden age of Anderson/Erstad/Salmon/Edmonds.

It's kinda nuts.

[WicketMaiden]

21 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

I was just saying that if you get 4-6 WAR out of those guys combined, that's better than they have been able to get from the corners since what??? 2004??? And that was Guillen and Vlad in the corners with GA in CF.  They haven't had a season where they got at least 0.5 WAR from each of the OF positions (total for all players starters and reserves) since 2009.

Seriously 2.0 WAR seasons from both those guys would make for one of the best OFs since the golden age of Anderson/Erstad/Salmon/Edmonds.

It's kinda nuts.

The roll-call of disasters in the outfield since then has been a sustained story of expensive, miserable flops: GMJ; Hamilton; Wells; Joyce; Upton's last 2 years, I'm sure there are plenty more my subconscious is hiding from me. It's sort of impressive that the Angels always seem to find a way to screw the outfield up no matter who we've got in centre-field.