MLB Network Segment on Angels

[Inside Pitch]

Agree with a lot of the stuff being said here.

[arch stanton]

Seems like a rant they'd been saving up for a long time

[Justin]

“There’s a faulty process within their organization”

It's early in the segment but my favorite line from the whole thing.

[T.G.]

Tall task for Minasian. Hope he’s up to the challenge and Arte provides him with the support he needs.

[Make Angels Great Again]

That's a good clip. Some really level headed stuff being presented here.

 

God MLB Network runs circles around ESPN.

[WicketMaiden]

I love the guy's reaction at around 5mins 10 seconds when someone off camera says "Trade Shohei Ohtani". 

But yes, have to agree with most of what they're saying. A lot of us fans have been saying something similar for years.

[Jason]

This ultimately falls on Arte’s shoulders for allowing a losing culture to take root. He’s been a failure as an owner 

[Inside Pitch]

24 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

God MLB Network runs circles around ESPN.

I remember when ESPN/Sportscenter was a daily part of my routine...  I can't remember the last time I've watched it in it's entirety, its been over a decade.  These days I hate that MNF is on the network, otherwise I'd skip them completely.

[gotbeer]

I guess firing the scouts wasn't a good thing.  

[Angels 1961]

Philly looking to add bats pur around Harper. Trout big Eagles fan. Adell, Marsh and Ward in OF. Halos have youth moving forward. Ohtani value never will be higher maybe get big haul for him. This would be splash Angels need not a big name starter.

[gotbeer]

Ever since Reagins canned Bane, the scouting went to shit.  And that was 11 years ago.  

[DCAngelsFan]

Should do the Ludovico treatment on Arte, and make him watch this repeatedly until he cries ... 

[eligrba]

[Blarg]

I like how they put up the top pitchers in next year's free agent market and described all but Scherzer as a risk. Even Scherzer, at his age, is a risk. And yet all will command a large salary and the Angels could very well get the Zonk prize picking any one of them. 

Verlander is coming off of Tommy John, he isn't giving you 150 innings. Greinke has Weavered and his fast ball is falling off the radar. Scherzer looked like crap the last two outings which means age/innings caught up to him. Kershaw is a Dodger, they are not letting him walk and he isn't going to leave the Dodgers. 

So you have Ray and Noah. Choose one and over pay but hope to God they don't crater. Otherwise the same group next year is shaking their heads once again. 

But if one more of those assholes says trade Trout... 

[AngelsFaninGA]

Mark DeRosa, that's a name I haven't heard in a while. Remember watching him with the Braves growing up

[Taylor]

2 hours ago, Justin said:

“There’s a faulty process within their organization”

It's early in the segment but my favorite line from the whole thing.

Yet there are some who still defend Arte. It's mind boggling.

[Justin]

2 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Yet there are some who still defend Arte. It's mind boggling.

Are there really? (I'm being serious with that question, not snarky.) I paid less attention this season than any other season of my adult life. I still browsed game threads on AW two or three times per week, but I probably spent 25% of the time on AW that I normally have in the last 12 years. 

Are there really people who still say "Damn the haters, Arte Moreno is doing a good job!"?

[AngelsLakersFan]

4 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Agree with a lot of the stuff being said here.

They gave 10 minutes to the Angels and they finish by saying, we could go all day.

It's a great point they make about Perry Minasian being put in a tough spot. They don't even mention Billy Eppler getting canned last year. How is Perry going to avoid making a big, long term mistake, when you have a manager publicly telling you how to spend money, and an owner who just fired the last guy for not showing results while trying to avoid the landmines in the market.

[Justin]

6 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

How is Perry going to avoid making a big, long term mistake

As Jack Morris would say with an Armenian accent: "be very very careful"

[Slegnaac]

1 hour ago, Angels 1961 said:

Philly looking to add bats pur around Harper. Trout big Eagles fan. Adell, Marsh and Ward in OF. Halos have youth moving forward. Ohtani value never will be higher maybe get big haul for him. This would be splash Angels need not a big name starter.

You heard ir hete first!

Trout to the Eagels!

[Angel Oracle]

4 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Agree with a lot of the stuff being said here.

Face, Arte Moreno!

They mention everything wrong with how Moreno oversees this franchise.

Need better scouting and development.

Need better FO, not drinking buddies like Carpino and Kuhl.  You need a true baseball savvy president of operations! 

Need to not avoid signing solid enough FA pitchers like Stroman to short enough deal.

This is all on Arte Moreno!

Question: is Matt Wise really good enough to be a SOLID MLB pitching coach?

Edited October 7, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

I like how they put up the top pitchers in next year's free agent market and described all but Scherzer as a risk. Even Scherzer, at his age, is a risk. And yet all will command a large salary and the Angels could very well get the Zonk prize picking any one of them. 

Verlander is coming off of Tommy John, he isn't giving you 150 innings. Greinke has Weavered and his fast ball is falling off the radar. Scherzer looked like crap the last two outings which means age/innings caught up to him. Kershaw is a Dodger, they are not letting him walk and he isn't going to leave the Dodgers. 

So you have Ray and Noah. Choose one and over pay but hope to God they don't crater. Otherwise the same group next year is shaking their heads once again. 

But if one more of those assholes says trade Trout... 

Stroman too, may end up being the best value of the bunch.

[Angel Oracle]

Look no further than here for the blame.   See Harry Truman’s famous quote.  
Six years of this crap, multiple managers, GMs, pitching coaches, ONE common denominator 

Sorry, I’m just royally pissed at what he did to a franchise that finally found stability in the 2000s

Edited October 7, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[beatlesrule]

[Jeff Fletcher]

I think people get waaaaay too upset about the Angels failures from November to February. You really don’t become a good team by what you do in the winter. You become a good team by the way you develop your own players (minors and majors) during the season. 
 

The guys you acquire are a small piece of the puzzle and they’re probably going to balance each other out by some being good and some being bad. 
 

So you need to lift the floor that those guys sit on by having a lot of young guys from your system providing value. So you’ve always got an 85-win base and if your acquisitions work better one year it goes to 95.

There’s no way you can count on acquisitions lifting you enough if you have a 75-win base.