MLB to require vaccinations for all minor league players starting in 2022

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[jsnpritchett]

[Chuck]

This is dumb.

btw, I'm vaccinated. 

[Taylor]

I give this four pages until it's moved to the Spin Forum.

[Chuck]

Just now, Taylor said:

I give this four pages until it's moved to the Spin Forum.

If you post another .gif like the one I deleted of yours it won't make it past one page. 

[Angelsjunky]

I agree with Chuck, and I'm a lefty.

[Chuck]

Just now, Angelsjunky said:

I agree with Chuck, and I'm a lefty.

@Angelsjunky I have a bunch of lefty friends/family who are against vaccine mandates as well. This really isn't and shouldn't be a political issue. 

This is a personal choice discussion. Vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. 

A large volume of anti-vaxers are African Americans and from young healthy men/women of all races, all political preferences.

This is going to get fought in the higher courts. 

[tdawg87]

While I think people should be vaccinated, mandates are dumb. 

I expect a lot of players to be suspended over this crap. 

If people don't want to vaccinate, that should ultimately be their choice. You can't force people into it. Not even a political issue, really.

[Taylor]

4 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

@Angelsjunky I have a bunch of lefty friends/family who are against vaccine mandates as well. This really isn't and shouldn't be a political issue. 

This is a personal choice discussion. Vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. 

A large volume of anti-vaxers are African Americans and from young healthy men/women of all races, all political preferences.

This is going to get fought in the higher courts. 

How do you feel about public schools mandating that children be vaccinated against measles, whooping cough, etc. (like they've been doing for almost 100 years)?

[Angel Dog and Beer]

10 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I agree with Chuck, and I'm a lefty.

Great! What's your xFIP? Can we sign you for league minimum? 

[tdawg87]

Just now, Angel Dog and Beer said:

Great! What's your xFIP? Can we sign you for league minimum? 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Taylor said:

How do you feel about public schools mandating that children be vaccinated against measles, whooping cough, etc. (like they've been doing for almost 100 years)?

Those shouldn't be mandated either, but I get your point.

[Angelsjunky]

6 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

@Angelsjunky I have a bunch of lefty friends/family who are against vaccine mandates as well. This really isn't and shouldn't be a political issue. 

This is a personal choice discussion. Vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. 

A large volume of anti-vaxers are African Americans and from young healthy men/women of all races, all political preferences.

This is going to get fought in the higher courts. 

Yep, agreed. The way that it has been twisted to be political is just gross, and contrivance of the corporate media. The result has been that people on both sides of the political aisle unquestioning side with whatever "good opinion" is among their tribe.

 

[Angelsjunky]

2 minutes ago, Angel Dog and Beer said:

Great! What's your xFIP? Can we sign you for league minimum? 

Right now, please. 

[Taylor]

1 minute ago, Angelsjunky said:

Yep, agreed. The way that it has been twisted to be political is just gross, and contrivance of the corporate media. The result has been that people on both sides of the political aisle unquestioning side with whatever "good opinion" is among their tribe.

Lol @ both sidesing this issue. The science behind the COVID vaccine is indisputable unless you're getting your information from conspiracy theory, pseudoscientific, and political pundit sources (and/or your chiropractor).

[Taylor]

4 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Right now, please. 

Great. Show us your COVID vaccine card, then sign on the dotted line.

[Angelsjunky]

3 minutes ago, Taylor said:

How do you feel about public schools mandating that children be vaccinated against measles, whooping cough, etc. (like they've been doing for almost 100 years)?

It is not the same thing, which you (should) know. It is well known that the vaccinated can get and spread the disease, and that isn't even getting into the worrisome data coming out of Israel, Singapore, and other highly vaxxed nations, or the fact that the vaccine's positive effect wanes after a few months, and perhaps most importantly, that we don't know its the long-term effects. Not to mention that the survival rate is over 99% for most demographics, despite how it is portrayed by the media. Etc etc.

By the way, I don't think those should be mandated. And furthermore, they can be bypassed via religious exemption, while the experimental covid drug therapy cannot, in most cases. Furthermore, un-vaxxed kids can be homeschooled, but you cannot homeschool your job, at least if it requires being around people.

Bottom line: it should be a personal choice, especially given the fact that the vaccine doesn't stop infection or transmission. Now if it did (which it doesn't) and if the death rate was much higher, then there might be a discussion to be had.

[Taylor]

13 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

@Angelsjunky I have a bunch of lefty friends/family who are against vaccine mandates as well. This really isn't and shouldn't be a political issue. 

This is a personal choice discussion. Vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. 

A large volume of anti-vaxers are African Americans and from young healthy men/women of all races, all political preferences.

This is going to get fought in the higher courts. 

One more question. When do you feel the government can step in and tell a business what it can and cannot do, and when should a government butt out?

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, Chuckster70 said:

@Angelsjunky I have a bunch of lefty friends/family who are against vaccine mandates as well. This really isn't and shouldn't be a political issue. 

This is a personal choice discussion. Vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. 

A large volume of anti-vaxers are African Americans and from young healthy men/women of all races, all political preferences.

This is going to get fought in the higher courts. 

Cool.  Tell that to the various branches of the military, who've been requiring all kinds of vaccinations for decades.

MLB is a private business.  They can basically do whatever they want when it comes to requirements like this.  They'll be fine. 

And I love that "personal choice" gets brought up in a discussion like this.  Interesting how that position gets dismissed on certain other "controversial" topics, though...Hmmmmmm...

 

[Taylor]

1 minute ago, Angelsjunky said:

It is not the same thing, which you (should) know. It is well known that the vaccinated can get and spread the disease, and that isn't even getting into the worrisome data coming out of Israel, Singapore, and other highly vaxxed nations, or the fact that the vaccine's positive effect wanes after a few months, and perhaps most importantly, that we don't know its the long-term effects. Not to mention that the survival rate is over 99% for most demographics, despite how it is portrayed by the media. Etc etc.

By the way, I don't think those should be mandated. And furthermore, they can be bypassed via religious exemption, while the experimental covid drug therapy cannot, in most cases. Furthermore, un-vaxxed kids can be homeschooled, but you cannot homeschool your job, at least if it requires being around people.

Bottom line: it should be a personal choice, especially given the fact that the vaccine doesn't stop infection or transmission. Now if it did (which it doesn't) and if the death rate was much higher, then there might be a discussion to be had.

What are your sources for your beliefs on COVID and the vaccine? Because they are definitely not in line with the scientific consensus.

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, Taylor said:

One more question. When do you feel the government can step in and tell a business what it can and cannot do, and when should a government butt out?

I think the simple answer is obviously, "If the government does something I agree with, it's fine.  When they don't, they should butt out."

It's a laughable stance, really.

[Taylor]

Just now, jsnpritchett said:

And I love that "personal choice" gets brought up in a discussion like this.  Interesting how that position gets dismissed on certain other "controversial" topics, though...Hmmmmmm...

Like gay wedding cakes?

[Angelsjunky]

1 minute ago, Taylor said:

Lol @ both sidesing this issue. The science behind the COVID vaccine is indisputable unless you're getting your information from conspiracy theory, pseudoscientific, and political pundit sources (and/or your chiropractor).

See my previous post. The "science behind the COVID vaccine" is disputed by many scientists, doctors, nurses, and other health practitioners. But those disputes are censored and/or labeled as "conspiracy theory" or "pseudoscience" by those, such as yourself, who trust the mainstream media. 

This isn't about whether or not somebody "trusts the science," but whether or not someone trusts media and the anointed spokespeople for the science, e.g. Fauci, Gupta, Wen, etc.

[m0nkey]

1 minute ago, jsnpritchett said:

MLB is a private business.  They can basically do whatever they want when it comes to requirements like this.  They'll be fine. 

 

I’m on this side. Whether or not you agree with the mandate, if you don’t like it, find another employer 

[Taylor]

Seatbelt laws are unconstitutional. How dare the government tell me what I can and can't do in my own vehicle?

My employer doesn't let me come to work naked. How dare they tell me what I can and can't do with my body?