Matt Vasgersian vs. Pedro Martinez on Shohei Ohtani vs. Vlad Guerrero Jr. on the MVP race

[Chuck]

I'm not sure what Pedro Martinez is smoking. Watch this segment. 

Your thoughts?

[tdawg87]

Manny said the same shit. Make of that what you will...

There's no "debate". Ohtani has done what no one has in a century. Vlad Jr. isn't even leading for a triple crown, which many seemed to think he was guaranteed to do (and who gives a shit anyway? Fucking old people).

[Justin]

37 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Your thoughts?

Pedro is still mad at the Angels "shameful" treatment of Pujols.

[T.G.]

Pedro sounds like a moron.

[ten ocho recon scout]

You'd think Pedro would have some bias towards a pitcher.... that can hit...

[beatlesrule]

Hey Pedro

[rottiesworld]

3 hours ago, True Grich said:

Pedro sounds like a moron.

Pedro is a moron

[beatlesrule]

3 hours ago, True Grich said:

Pedro sounds like a moron.

 

12 minutes ago, rottiesworld said:

Pedro is a moron

One of the best pitchers ever though.

[AngelsLakersFan]

It would've been hard to have a debate when everyone agreed

[rageous]

Pedro is racist.

[T.G.]

I know five year olds who can make more reasonable arguments. He really comes across as an idiot. That’s what you get when the Yankees are your daddy.

[Angel Oracle]

He’s just jealous because he never got to hit in the AL.

Only .033 apart in OPS + 26 SBs + 7th best ERA for pitchers with at least 130 innings = you very stupid idiot Martinez!

[ten ocho recon scout]

The part to go crazy over is where hes claiming ohtani go to pick who he pitched to, and mentioned the yankees start.

He could easily go through the game logs and see all the other starts...

[Inside Pitch]

Vlad Jr is Pedro's godson.   But lol at his tearing down DHs as MVPs when he views Ortiz as a HOFer.  His entire take is hater-ade.  I didn't get "MVP because I was a pitcher and two knuckleheads".... boo hoo.... "David didn't get MVP because he was a DH" ... Get over yourself.

If he's pissed the voters used to be morons he should be happy to see things are changing.  

[ten ocho recon scout]

13 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Vlad Jr is Pedro's godson.   But lol at his tearing down DHs as MVPs when he views Ortiz as a HOFer.  His entire take is hater-ade.  I didn't get "MVP because I was a pitcher and two knuckleheads".... boo hoo.... "David didn't get MVP because he was a DH" ... Get over yourself.

If he's pissed the voters used to be morons he should be happy to see things are changing.  

Exactly on the last part.

You dont get it both ways, pedro. You cant argue that the voters were wrong before, then argue they should vote that way now

Him saying "ohtani had a bad start against NY" should be countered with any 0-fer Vlad Jr has had.... to show how stupid it is.

"Ohtani struck out Vlad, Pedro."

I think Pedro knows reality... so does Vlad Jr.... and literally every other player.

I think this bit was simply for entertainment, and Pedros job was to present a "vlad os mvp" argument. And to do so he had to stretch... because its no contest

[Jay]

I'm not sure Pedro really believes all the stuff he is saying. He's taking the counter-point position to Vasgersian.

Pedro's point is basically that Ohtani isn't good enough at any one thing to be the MVP.

Ok Ohtani's not a position player.

Ok so no DH ever won the MVP. That's irrelevant.

Ok so Ohtani doesn't have as many IP as some of the other top pitchers in the league.

But if you look at WAR, Ohtani's combined contribution is greater than anybody else.

Simple.

[Dtwncbad]

Pedro rambling and not being mentally organized.

Sounds stupid.

[ten ocho recon scout]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

I'm not sure Pedro really believes all the stuff he is saying. He's taking the counter-point position to Vasgersian.

Pedro's point is basically that Ohtani isn't good enough at any one thing to be the MVP.

Ok Ohtani's not a position player.

Ok so no DH ever won the MVP. That's irrelevant.

Ok so Ohtani doesn't have as many IP as some of the other top pitchers in the league.

But if you look at WAR, Ohtani's combined contribution is greater than anybody else.

Simple.

Ive read plenty point out Ohtani is "only" a DH, and that a position player gets more credit / value. And I totally agree.

 

That said, his pitching shuts that argument up.

At its simplest, every out Ohtani makes on the mound is as important as any ball Vlad Jr fields and turns into an out. Period.

[Chuck]