Should the Angels go big on a free agent shortstop?

[Stradling]

11 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Ohtani has given up 3 runs over his last 2 starts (15 innings) with our AAAA defense. Getting a top SS at the cost of pitching is a loser strategy.

We are 0-2 in those starts scoring a total 3 runs in those games.  It’s actually a strong argument for adding that SS. 

[Blarg]

15 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Ohtani has given up 3 runs over his last 2 starts (15 innings) with our AAAA defense. Getting a top SS at the cost of pitching is a loser strategy.

I never said to get a top dollar shortstop, I said the pitchers need a good defensive shortstop. Without a good defensive shortstop your best pitcher chosen would still struggle to win games. That is the true loser strategy, spend lots of money on a pitcher that cant allow an infield ground ball to the left side. 

And your AAAA defense has been booting balls all over the field the last three months. They are not winning any games by glovework. 

[Inside Pitch]

 

“It’s just got to make sense. The things we do have to make sense. That’s something that we’ll evaluate each and every player and see what’s there and what fits and make decisions and see where it goes.” --  Perry Moreno

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

7 minutes ago, Stradling said:

We are 0-2 in those starts scoring a total 3 runs in those games.  It’s actually a strong argument for adding that SS. 

shitty BP

[Blarg]

10 minutes ago, Stradling said:

We are 0-2 in those starts scoring a total 3 runs in those games.  It’s actually a strong argument for adding that SS. 

The lack of runs scored is equal to the lack of regulars on the field. Trout, Rendon, Upton and even Adell represent a lot of lost offense over their AAAA replacements. The Angels don't require offense from the shortstop position next year to be competitive. They need defense and better pitching. 

[Stradling]

Just now, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

shitty BP

Well yes, but Ohtani gave up 3 runs and we scored 3 runs. So it’s the offense. 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

4 minutes ago, Blarg said:

I never said to get a top dollar shortstop, I said the pitchers need a good defensive shortstop. Without a good defensive shortstop your best pitcher chosen would still struggle to win games. That is the true loser strategy, spend lots of money on a pitcher that cant allow an infield ground ball to the left side. 

And your AAAA defense has been booting balls all over the field the last three months. They are not winning any games by glovework. 

Who then Iglesias or Simmons?

[Blarg]

Both of those bridges are burned. 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

35 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Both of those bridges are burned. 

exactly my point, so what's left for cheap.

[Blarg]

You tell me, you're the one that wants to bell the cat. 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

6 minutes ago, Blarg said:

You tell me, you're the one that wants to bell the cat. 

l don't want to sign a SS at all, just pitchers

[Revad]

12 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

exactly my point, so what's left for cheap.

Internal options I guess

[Revad]

10 minutes ago, Blarg said:

You tell me, you're the one that wants to bell the cat. 

I’d like to bell the cat with girlfriend but women just like to cuddle.  That’s partly about the guy.

[Erstad Grit]

Correa is a really good defender so I not as opposed to him ad Seager / Story / etc

[ten ocho recon scout]

34 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

Correa is a really good defender so I not as opposed to him ad Seager / Story / etc

Trade for Turner from the dodgers, and we pick up 10 mill of Bauers salary plus half of his legal fees.

(Then we screw them by swapping his lawyer with @cals, who does bauers defense pro bono).

From yacht fuel to yahtzee, with very little outside of the box thinking.

[Angel Oracle]

I guess the back issues are in the past for Correa, no real IL time since 2019?

Still, he will command $30+ million/season long term.

Edited September 29, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[disarcina]

Scherzer worth spending a boat load on - pitching is where we should spend our money

short stop ? who's put there?

Dodgers may trade Seager now that they have Trea Turner.

[Angel Oracle]

37 minutes ago, disarcina said:

Scherzer worth spending a boat load on - pitching is where we should spend our money

short stop ? who's put there?

Dodgers may trade Seager now that they have Trea Turner.

Seager is a FA.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

20 hours ago, Stradling said:

Well yes, but Ohtani gave up 3 runs and we scored 3 runs. So it’s the offense. 

Yeah the offense minus the best player in the world Trout, Rendon, Upton, and Adell.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

20 hours ago, Stradling said:

We are 0-2 in those starts scoring a total 3 runs in those games.  It’s actually a strong argument for adding that SS. 

We will be added Trout in the OF, Rendon, Upton, and Adell which should provide plenty of offense without wasting resources at SS when it should be better spent on pitching. Pitching, Pitching, Pitching, and more Pitching... 

[greginpsca]

20 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

exactly my point, so what's left for cheap.

Trade Rengoofie to a team that has a strong defensive ss who is being blocked  at the major league level. 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

1 hour ago, greginpsca said:

Trade Rengoofie to a team that has a strong defensive ss who is being blocked  at the major league level. 

As long as we spend the money on pitching. I'm also OK using what we have, in case we need to really spend big to sign top tier pitching, while using a minimum wage SS for a year.

Edited September 30, 2021 by Ace-Of-Diamonds

[Tank]

pitching, pitching, and more pitching.

 

[eligrba4ever]

Teams win with Jeter-class shortstops and the Rengifos of the world. Teams ALWAYS fall short with pitching staffs collected at the swap meet.

[Docwaukee]

Seager wants to play on the east coast.  One of the reasons the dogs got Turner.  He hates socal.  For real actually.