2021-22 CBA Negotiation/Lockout Thread (DEAL IS AGREED TO)

[Junkballer]

19 hours ago, mmc said:

I really hate byes.  Somewhat like hockey, baseball is a game of endurance and attrition.  I can deal with the other gimmicky stuff but think there are better solutions.  Don't like the picking of opponents but can foresee some hilarity when the chosen opponents oust the first chooser.

[Mark68]

Why not just have the #2 play #7, 3 play 6, 4 play 5? Why add the "picking" of opponents?

[Hubs]

1 hour ago, Mark68 said:

Why not just have the #2 play #7, 3 play 6, 4 play 5? Why add the "picking" of opponents?

Would you have picked the Braves or the Dodgers if you were the Giants? 

I like it.

I'm not opposed to 8 Team playoffs, but I'd prefer that if they realigned to 4 divisions per league 4 teams per division (yes I realize that means expansion).

[Mark68]

51 minutes ago, Hubs said:

Would you have picked the Braves or the Dodgers if you were the Giants? 

I like it.

I'm not opposed to 8 Team playoffs, but I'd prefer that if they realigned to 4 divisions per league 4 teams per division (yes I realize that means expansion).

Under my (every other sport's) scenario, the Giants would have gotten the bye, the Brewers would have played the Phillies, the Braves would have played the Reds, and the Dodgers would have played the Cardinals. Not sure how your question is relevant...

[Hubs]

34 minutes ago, Mark68 said:

Under my (every other sport's) scenario, the Giants would have gotten the bye, the Brewers would have played the Phillies, the Braves would have played the Reds, and the Dodgers would have played the Cardinals. Not sure how your question is relevant...

In last season's scenario, the #4 seed Dodgers beat the #5 seed Cardinals in the Wild Card series, and then played the #1 seed Giants, while the #2 seed Brewers played the #3 seed and eventual WS Champ and 88 win Braves.

If the Giants could've picked, they'd have picked the Brewers probably, and let the Braves have the Dodgers.

 

[Mark68]

The Giants would not have picked anybody. They would've had a bye.

[AngelsLakersFan]

Whatever happens, I just know they are gona fuck it up.

Honestly I’m pretty concerned that the new cba will negatively impact my enjoyment of the sport in a significant way.

[angelsnationtalk]

Players asked for luxury tax to be raised to $240M, 12-team postseason, each league realigned to 2 divisions

MLB could look a lot different in 2022 https://t.co/8j4l6L2xAM

— Brandon Wile (@Brandon_N_Wile) December 1, 2021

I like the idea of a $240M luxury tax, but there needs to be a floor of at least $100M

[totdprods]

@Jeff Fletcher, do the Angels have a union rep or anyone involved in these negotiations? 

I believe Heaney was the last rep but that's off top of my head, curious if someone else has that role now.

[angelsnationtalk]

The early morning side session with MLB and the union ends after 40 minutes as each side reconvenes before their major negotiating session.

— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) December 1, 2021

[arch stanton]

I don't really care what they do with the salary limits but I'm all for a realignment that ends them playing the same 4 teams for basically half of their schedule

[Erstad Grit]

1 hour ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I like the idea of a $240M luxury tax, but there needs to be a floor of at least $100M

This sounds like they are fairly close. A realignment but with more playoff teams sounds fine. 

[Inside Pitch]

27 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

This sounds like they are fairly close. A realignment but with more playoff teams sounds fine. 

Not close if they stick to the 12 team postseason.   

MLB sold the tv rights to ESPN on a 14 team format..  Players are making this a sticking point because they technically stop getting paid once the season ends...  Both sides want more playoff money, basically.

Hilarious that MLB sold something to ESPN that had not yet been bargained for with the MLBPA.

[Dtwncbad]

Regarding the mentioned possible $240m lux tax threshold. . .

I am more interested in hearing what the exact penalty structure will be than what the actual threshold ends up being.

[Dtwncbad]

1 minute ago, Inside Pitch said:

Not close at if they stick to the 12 team postseason.   

MLB sold the tv rights to ESPN on a 14 team format..  Players are making this a sticking point because they technically stop getting paid once the season ends...  Both sides want more playoff money, basically.

Hilarious that MLB sold something to ESPN that had not yet been bargained for with the MLBPA.

There had to be language in that deal that addresses potential changes.  There is no way they are that sloppy.

[Erstad Grit]

4 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Not close at if they stick to the 12 team postseason.   

MLB sold the tv rights to ESPN on a 14 team format..  Players are making this a sticking point because they technically stop getting paid once the season ends...  Both sides want more playoff money, basically.

Hilarious that MLB sold something to ESPN that had not yet been bargained for with the MLBPA.

I wasn't aware of that, strange. I wonder if players will use that as leverage. 

[Inside Pitch]

6 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

I wasn't aware of that, strange. I wonder if players will use that as leverage. 

Seems like a big chip for them for sure...  But yeah, how did they even pull that one off....lol...

[Inside Pitch]

11 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

There had to be language in that deal that addresses potential changes.  There is no way they are that sloppy.

Sloppy???  or intentionally shady?   Either way I LOLed.

[Dtwncbad]

Just now, Inside Pitch said:

Sloppy???  or intentionally shady?   Either way I LOLed.

ESPN lawyers would also have to be equally naive or stupid or sloppy over a huge detail like this.

Not buying it.   But have your fun with it if you want.

[Jeff Fletcher]

35 minutes ago, totdprods said:

@Jeff Fletcher, do the Angels have a union rep or anyone involved in these negotiations? 

I believe Heaney was the last rep but that's off top of my head, curious if someone else has that role now.

That’s a good question. I don’t know who the alternate rep was besides Heaney. 

[totdprods]

Just now, Jeff Fletcher said:

That’s a good question. I don’t know who the alternate rep was besides Heaney. 

I noticed there was about 40 players involved and a handful of owners I believed, but doubted that Arte was among that group. 

Just curious if the Halos had anyone present at these, not that it really matters much specific to the team. General curiosity. I'm always weirdly intrigued by who winds up reppin' each team.

[Dtwncbad]

3 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

That’s a good question. I don’t know who the alternate rep was besides Heaney. 

I wonder if Heaney was almost good at that too.

[Inside Pitch]

5 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

ESPN lawyers would also have to be equally naive or stupid or sloppy over a huge detail like this.

Not buying it.   But have your fun with it if you want.

What exactly are you not buying?   

The agreement is known, there is an additional 100 million at stake.  The parameters were agreed to by ESPN and MLB last May or June despite there being no agreement in place with the players union for expanded playoffs.  

That's why its a bargaining chip for the players now.

[Dtwncbad]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

What exactly are you not buying?   

The agreement is known, there is an additional 100 million at stake.  The parameters were agreed to by ESPN and MLB last May or June despite there being no agreement in place with the players union for expanded playoffs.  

That's why its a bargaining chip for the players now.

Whatever risk you think there is to one or more of the parties involved, I am merely saying it is almost completely unbelievable that there is no language in the existing deal that addressed it.

It is very much not believable that all parties missed this detail.

[Taylor]

On 10/25/2021 at 11:06 AM, Taylor said:

The MLBPA should put an Angels bullpen pitcher at the head of negotiations. They're all really adept at avoiding strikes.

Not sure if this joke works anymore.