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Ramon Laureano suspended 80 games for PEDs


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Just a few thoughts....

1. The A's knew he tested positive, and that he was in the process of appealing it, which is why they traded for Marte and put him in CF. 

2. Steroid testing is WAY behind where steroids actually are at this point. If you pop positive, it's only because you're an idiot for using second rate crap. Does anyone here believe that Nelson Cruz is legitimately better at age 42 than he was at 27 naturally? How about Big Papi? Barry Bonds? The fact is, age takes a toll on all of us, and if they are playing clean, they age the way Griffey Jr. did. Injuries and ineffectiveness slowly but surely creep in. 

3. 80 game suspensions are a slap on the wrist. Most everyone remembers the big names, Manny, A-Rod, Bonds, McGwire, Cano..... but most people tend to forget the smaller names that are doing it too. Ervin Santana, Bartolo Colon, Starling Marte, Adalberto Mondesi, Frankie Montas, Freddy Galvis, etc.... Cheating doesn't hurt anyone's earning power. George Springer still got paid even after he admitted to cheating. Starling Marte just found a cleaner regimen to extend his career. 

4. MLB isn't actually interested in stopping this problem, they do just enough to maintain PR neutrality in it. They didn't care about the Astros cheating, they cared about how it makes them look which is why they did practically nothing about it. Every manager involved is now employed again. MLB doesn't care about PED's, they just want to make it look like they're upholding penalties. Players are on a variety of substances they don't test for. MLB didn't do jack squat about illegal substances on the ball until Trevor Bauer went public with it, showed what he can do when cheating (absolutely dominate) and forced their hand. 

5. But the way, the Astros are still cheating. They're using a different substance on the ball now after monitoring the way umps check it. Spin rates have all miraculously rebounded after plummeting for two weeks. Funny how that happened. 

6. Cheating is every bit as bad now as it was 20 years ago. Why? Because there's more money on the line. Individual players cheat, teams cheat. The only way MLB can actually clean this up is if they created penalties that severely attacks the earning power of the players and teams. Just as an example, how fast would this game become clean off MLB enacted the following policy.

- Testing positive for PED's comes with two year suspension without pay and immediately invalidates any contract. 

- Teams with players who test positive may no longer compete in the playoffs. Suddenly, you'd see a drastic drop in performance of dozens of star players, you'd also never see a positive test again, teams would make sure of it. 

- MLB actually invests money into developing more advanced testing protocols to catch a wider variety of substances. But again, they don't actually care. It's PR. They'll test like crazy for a virus with a 99.9% survivability rate with proven treatments but won't update the testing they designed a decade ago for bare bones basic steroids? It's all for show. 

 

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2 hours ago, Second Base said:

Steroid testing is WAY behind where steroids actually are at this point. If you pop positive, it's only because you're an idiot for using second rate crap.

 

No it doesn’t. Laureano isn’t buying his gear from Chad at his local Planet Fitness. 

Laureano could have been using it in the offseason and took too much and now just recently got popped. 
 

It was also demonstrated for the first time that the nandrolone metabolites 19-NA and 19-NE are detectable in urine samples for at least 6 months after a single im injection of 150 mg nandrolone decanoate, which is still above the threshold of 2 ng/ml in one third of subjects.

The 2ng/ml is the threshold the MLB uses. Laureano could’ve also just been rolling the dice and lost. 

A large percentage of men use Testosterone and as long as you’re fully aware of MLB testing guidelines there is a bit of wiggle room. In the US it is incredibly easy to walk into a clinic and get a testosterone prescription these days. Canada not so much. The guys who get caught are the ones that get a bit reckless with their doses.

I do agree that most athletes are using they’re just a lot more careful about it.

If you play your cards right you could get a HGH prescription these days. I wonder how that would play in terms of MLB drug testing 

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5 hours ago, CanadianHalo said:

No it doesn’t. Laureano isn’t buying his gear from Chad at his local Planet Fitness. 

Laureano could have been using it in the offseason and took too much and now just recently got popped. 
 

It was also demonstrated for the first time that the nandrolone metabolites 19-NA and 19-NE are detectable in urine samples for at least 6 months after a single im injection of 150 mg nandrolone decanoate, which is still above the threshold of 2 ng/ml in one third of subjects.

The 2ng/ml is the threshold the MLB uses. Laureano could’ve also just been rolling the dice and lost. 

A large percentage of men use Testosterone and as long as you’re fully aware of MLB testing guidelines there is a bit of wiggle room. In the US it is incredibly easy to walk into a clinic and get a testosterone prescription these days. Canada not so much. The guys who get caught are the ones that get a bit reckless with their doses.

I do agree that most athletes are using they’re just a lot more careful about it.

If you play your cards right you could get a HGH prescription these days. I wonder how that would play in terms of MLB drug testing 

To the last part, Im still not sure there is a test for H.

And I think both you and scotty could be right at the same time. Whereas testing could still detect months after use, its just as possible this guy did in fact get it from chad at planet fitness

 

Well not really. Nobody at planet fitness goes hard enough to gear up.

 

But I also wouldnt be surprised if some of these guys get cheap / lazy, and still just get it "from a guy"

 

Not to damper the mood here. But Skaggs was richer than 99 percent of the people on earth.... and still got bad dope.

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6 hours ago, CanadianHalo said:

No it doesn’t. Laureano isn’t buying his gear from Chad at his local Planet Fitness. 

Laureano could have been using it in the offseason and took too much and now just recently got popped. 
 

It was also demonstrated for the first time that the nandrolone metabolites 19-NA and 19-NE are detectable in urine samples for at least 6 months after a single im injection of 150 mg nandrolone decanoate, which is still above the threshold of 2 ng/ml in one third of subjects.

The 2ng/ml is the threshold the MLB uses. Laureano could’ve also just been rolling the dice and lost. 

A large percentage of men use Testosterone and as long as you’re fully aware of MLB testing guidelines there is a bit of wiggle room. In the US it is incredibly easy to walk into a clinic and get a testosterone prescription these days. Canada not so much. The guys who get caught are the ones that get a bit reckless with their doses.

I do agree that most athletes are using they’re just a lot more careful about it.

If you play your cards right you could get a HGH prescription these days. I wonder how that would play in terms of MLB drug testing 

MLB doesn't test for exogeneous testosterone and they only pop if they test at higher range of 4 to 1 testosterone to epitestosterone.  So most players could get away with TRT as long as they don't go crazy with the doses.  Wouldn't surprise me if lot of players are on it.  More stricter testing league like UFC and Olympics test for any exogenous testosterone and can differentiate between testosterone from plants and ones produced by your body.

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Between this, the Mariners coming back to Earth, Cleveland selling, and the Yankees constantly coming down with COVID, maybe there is a weird chance the Angels crawl back into this as prospects adjust and maybe some players return. If the AL East keeps beating themselves up perhaps it’ll keep some of those teams from running away with the WC.

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39 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Between this, the Mariners coming back to Earth, Cleveland selling, and the Yankees constantly coming down with COVID, maybe there is a weird chance the Angels crawl back into this as prospects adjust and maybe some players return. If the AL East keeps beating themselves up perhaps it’ll keep some of those teams from running away with the WC.

The Angels are a game farther back from the 2nd WC than they were a week ago.

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