Official 2021 Trade Deadline Discussion Thread

[Inside Pitch]

43 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

When did we trade Jo Adell to Houston?

[Taylor]

4 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

When did we trade Jo Adell to Houston?

He's not pimpy enough.

[Inside Pitch]

8 minutes ago, Taylor said:

He's not pimpy enough.

Would be pretty awesome if Jo Adell pimped a defensive mistake turned into a HR for the other team.  It would drive fans apeshit but at least he'd be making fun of himself.

[Angel Oracle]

2 hours ago, Angels_Make_Me_Drink said:

Idk if he’s legit. Great name. 

Was he found in the bargain bin?

[ThisismineScios]

I change my mind every day about what to do with Cobb and Iglesias. I think you have to hold on to Iglesias. But if a bidding war happens and we can get a real package…I don’t know. 

I think Cobb is much more valuable to us the next two years. I want to extend him. 

Trade Heaney and Suzuki. Believe it or not somebody will want Suzuki. 

[Lou]

4 hours ago, mmc said:

 

Does this mean the M's traded for a pitcher with medical concerns?

[mmc]

2 minutes ago, Lou said:

Does this mean the M's traded for a pitcher with medical concerns?

No it was one of the prospects the Phillies were trading for him that had the medical concerns

[Docwaukee]

14 minutes ago, Lou said:

Does this mean the M's traded for a pitcher with medical concerns?

no.  just for one that isn't very good.  

[GoodTimesGoneBad]

Hopefully Perry called the Phillies and offered Heaney or Bundy for the same prospects. 

[GoodTimesGoneBad]

I wonder who the Reds gave up for Wilson and Cessa. If it was a pure salary dump I would’ve been ok with that if I were the Angels. 

[Farmbuildingfan]

13 hours ago, eligrba said:

I'm not talking shit about Dipoto until the Angels demonstrate that they can beat them.  He has built a better team with all of his tinkering than Eppler/Minasian have with the Angels.  And it pisses me off to no end to look at Servais and watch his team beat the Angels..continuously.

This sickens me at will.  

I suspect that Arte's meddling is why Dipoto was so poor with the Angels.

I also suspect that whatever the Angels do, I give 9 to 1 odds of being unhappy, based on my emotions of prior trades since the 70's.

I just cannot trust an organization that wanted Pujols, Hamilton and Wells.

I

[Angelsjunky]

For those hesitant to trade Raisel, consider this: He is, by far, their best trade chip. He's exactly the type of player that contending teams want right now; Cobb and Heaney have value, but not nearly as much as Raisel. 

If they don't trade him, they're doing for a 7.8% chance of reaching the postseason (per FG, which may be optimistic) and on the pipe-dream that they can extend him before he reaches free agency (or the even pipier dream of "a discount to say"), which probably has a 1% chance of happening.

On the other hand, trading him brings in a prospect who could be top 50 in all of baseball, or possibly two top 100 guys.  It would reduce their chances at the postseason by what, maybe 2%? And they still have a chance of re-signing him after the season is over.

[angelsnationtalk]

1 minute ago, Angelsjunky said:

For those hesitant to trade Raisel, consider this: He is, by far, their best trade chip. He's exactly the type of player that contending teams want right now; Cobb and Heaney have value, but not nearly as much as Raisel. 

If they don't trade him, they're doing for a 7.8% chance of reaching the postseason (per FG, which may be optimistic) and on the pipe-dream that they can extend him before he reaches free agency (or the even pipier dream of "a discount to say"), which probably has a 1% chance of happening.

On the other hand, trading him brings in a prospect who could be top 50 in all of baseball, or possibly two top 100 guys.  It would reduce their chances at the postseason by what, maybe 2%? And they still have a chance of re-signing him after the season is over.

I don't think a rental if Iglesias brings in a top 50 type prospect. That's a huge overpay. 

BUT if it did, he should be dealt immediately. 

[Farmbuildingfan]

I you are going to trade Raisel, you better get back at least two top 15 reliever prospects, not a couple of above average 32 year olds.

[Angelsjunky]

3 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I don't think a rental if Iglesias brings in a top 50 type prospect. That's a huge overpay. 

BUT if it did, he should be dealt immediately. 

Teams tend to overpay for elite closers at the deadline. I probably should have written "fringe top 50," meaning a guy in the 30-70 range. But I could see someone wanting Raisel enough to give up someone even better. If you go by Fangraphs, #18-33 are all 55 FV and #34-123 are all 50 FV. I think it possible someone gives up a 55 FV prospect for Raisel, although 50 FV is more likely.

[angelsnationtalk]

6 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Teams tend to overpay for elite closers at the deadline. I probably should have written "fringe top 50," meaning a guy in the 30-70 range. But I could see someone wanting Raisel enough to give up someone even better. If you go by Fangraphs, #18-33 are all 55 FV and #34-123 are all 50 FV. I think it possible someone gives up a 55 FV prospect for Raisel, although 50 FV is more likely.

I still can't see it. No way I'd give up Jordyn Adams for a rental of Iglesias even though Adams is ranked 90 by FanGraphs. But that's just me.

[Angel Oracle]

I’m all for trading Iglesias.   It had better be a good return though.

The one FA they have to hold on to is Cobb.   I want the young pitchers to continue to feed off of his experience. Plus, they need to re-sign him with the apparent resurgence in his career.

[Angel Oracle]

1 minute ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I still can't see it. No way I'd give up Jordyn Adams for a rental of Iglesias even though Adams is ranked 90 by FanGraphs. But that's just me.

Can’t like this enough.

Adams is an absolute diamond in the rough.

[Stradling]

41 minutes ago, Farmbuildingfan said:

I you are going to trade Raisel, you better get back at least two top 15 reliever prospects, not a couple of above average 32 year olds.

There’s zero chance they trade Raisel for older players. And I have zero idea if there’s even such thing as two top 15 relief prospects. 

[Lou]

44 minutes ago, Farmbuildingfan said:

I you are going to trade Raisel, you better get back at least two top 15 reliever prospects, not a couple of above average 32 year olds.

This is laughable.

[Lou]

Damnit, Strad.

[mmc]

 

[ThisismineScios]

46 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

For those hesitant to trade Raisel, consider this: He is, by far, their best trade chip. He's exactly the type of player that contending teams want right now; Cobb and Heaney have value, but not nearly as much as Raisel. 

If they don't trade him, they're doing for a 7.8% chance of reaching the postseason (per FG, which may be optimistic) and on the pipe-dream that they can extend him before he reaches free agency (or the even pipier dream of "a discount to say"), which probably has a 1% chance of happening.

On the other hand, trading him brings in a prospect who could be top 50 in all of baseball, or possibly two top 100 guys.  It would reduce their chances at the postseason by what, maybe 2%? And they still have a chance of re-signing him after the season is over.

And I think this is something to wrap our heads around. An extension is a two-way street. Cobb has flat out said he likes it here. How do we know Iglesias does as well? And if he really likes it here that much, he would pull a Chapman and just come back after the season. Since it is so unlikely to extend him, I agree that it makes much more sense to trade him unfortunately. The Angels haven't had a trade piece like this is awhile. 

I disagree about the return however. There's no way he nets 2 Top-100 guys. No way. The days of the Chapman trade are long gone. Teams hold onto prospects much tighter now. I would love, love to trade him for 2-3 young pitchers (like the Twins return) and another guy that could help this year. 

[failos]

Just now, Lou said:

This is laughable.

Yep, so unrealistic.

Angels fans are always setting themselves up for disappointment.

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]