Trade Proposals

[ettin]

One scenario for this offseason might be the Yankees. If Lindsey does show enough maturity and ability to play and hit in the Majors, there is an outside possibility that Cano doesn't resign with the Yankees (we are talking about another potential $200 million contract for a player who is 31 years old and embroiled in the Biogenesis scandal) and the Skanks might want to trade for Kendrick (who has done extremely well in Yankee stadium over his career).

 

In that scenario we might ask for a couple of prospects like Gary Sanchez and Jose Campos or some other combination that makes sense for us?

[Torridd]

If trading Trout got rid of Pujols and Hamiltons contracts, would you do it?

No.

[DMVol]

really a shame Madson can't get healthy.  He would be a perfect trade piece to a contender at the deadline.

+1....he would be the most logical trade piece if we continue to struggle....re-signing him, with Boras involved, would be unlikely (or at best difficult, to say the least).....relievers generally get a good return at the deadline....but, he can't get us anything from the DL....

I would not be in a hurry to trade Vargas, unless I thought he was focused on being a free agent...he's a California guy and Boras isn't involved so I'd consider re-signing during the season...I know that's not prefered but why not? We aren't going anywhere, he's a good middle of the rotation guy and if he wants to sign a reasonable deal, I'd do it....

[Angel Dog and Beer]

Honestly though, you can call up Cron, Grichuk, Lindsey in September, see how they play and then possibly deal Howie, Trumbo, etc this offseason.  That wave of players is not fat away. 

 

IDK, Cron is a little on the hefty side.

[YouthofToday]

I really don't think Cron or Grichuk are anything more than guys in a system. I highly doubt they become anything more than organizational depth at AAA or a platoon bat.

Lindsey is far more interesting as he is a 2B. That said, he doesn't have great plate discipline and I doubt he is a better option than Howie for any considerable length of time during the rest of Kendrick's deal.

[Scott34]

I really don't think Cron or Grichuk are anything more than guys in a system. I highly doubt they become anything more than organizational depth at AAA or a platoon bat.

Lindsey is far more interesting as he is a 2B. That said, he doesn't have great plate discipline and I doubt he is a better option than Howie for any considerable length of time during the rest of Kendrick's deal.

 

Slightly agree on Cron.  I am not as high on him as others are - Seems like a bat only DH who isn't impressing much with the bat.  That's a problem.

 

Disagree on Grichuk.  His bat speed and potential power are very intriguing.  Not to mention he has wheels, great defense and a good arm.  Definitely think he can be a MLB starter one day, but will for sure be a utility OF type at the least.

 

Lindsey could be a star. BB % has increased from 4.2% to 4.9% to 7.9% in the past 3 years.  Eddie Bane may have been right about him.

[tdawg87]

Lindsey is only 6 months older than Cowart, and on the same level, but having a much, much better season.

[tdawg87]

I just realized how awful the Angels' pitching depth is at AA. Holy christ.

[Tyler]

Slightly agree on Cron.  I am not as high on him as others are - Seems like a bat only DH who isn't impressing much with the bat.  That's a problem.

 

 

We call that the 'Mark Trumbo'.

[jshep]

Cron is looking kind of underwhelming considering what he was supposed to be.

 

He's totally locked into 1B/DH and he's not looking like the caliber of bat you would ideally want in those spots.

[tdawg87]

Cron has 7 walks in over 200 at bats. He has absolutely no plate discipline whatsoever. Unless he can be a .300 hitter at the big league level (which is doubtful), he won't be anything more than a bench player.

[Tyler]

He also doesn't strike out too often. Plate discipline falls under swinging at strikes. He does that.

[tdawg87]

31 K's to 7 BB is not good any way you look at it.

[Tyler]

Except when you see he has had 235 at bats in the young season. I'm not saying he is great, but if you're not striking out, it's not really a problem. He's like Nolan Arenado. He'll be a high contact-high RBI bat.

[Scott34]

RBI's? Come on man.

[Tyler]

There are such characteristics as being a run producer.

[tdawg87]

He's 23 years old, and has 903 at bats in the minors. 137 K's and just 34 walks. Maybe he will end up being a valuable player, but all I see is a guy limited to DH/1B who can't get on base at a decent clip.

 

I mean really, 34 walks in 900 at bats? Even Aybar has more patience than that.

[Scott34]

There are such characteristics as being a run producer.

 

What, like luck?

[Tyler]

Hence the Mark Trumbo comps. Mark walks a little more, but Cron makes contact better, in the end they'll get on base around the same clip.

[Tyler]

What, like luck?

 

Oh lawd.

[jshep]

He's posting a 2.8% BB rate this year. After posting a 3.1% BB rate in High-A in 2012.

 

Jeff Francouer, one of the biggest hackers in the game, has never posted a BB rate in the MAJORS lower than 3.4%

 

Yuniesky Betancourt's career BB rate in the majors is 3.3%

 

Both of those guys are pretty awful big leaguers, and they've been able to play non-1B positions(not particularly well in some cases, granted)

 

Cron expands his zone way too much.

 

And I'm not seeing the comparison between him and Arenado.

 

Arenado never posted a BB rate in the minors lower than 4.8% in the minors. And that was in High-A in 2010 when he was 3 years younger than Cron was when he was in High-A. Since then, he posted 8.1%, 6.8%, and 6.7% marks in the minors.

 

And he plays 3rd base. Where as Cron is locked into 1B or DH, and doesn't project to be a particularly good defender at 1B either.

 

Cron is going to need to make A LOT of good contact to not be an out machine(like Pablo Sandoval does) unless his approach drastically changes, and he still has concerns about his ability to handle upper tier fastballs.

 

It's not a good sign that the supposedly advanced college bat with minimal defensive value they picked 17th overall in 2011 still has this many questions.

[Tyler]

but if you're not striking out, it's not really a problem. He's like Nolan Arenado. He'll be a high contact-high RBI bat.

 

[Brent Maguire]

Cron might be a fringe platoon bat at the major league level. That walk rate is absolutely awful.

 

I remember being excited about him because he hit for average, power AND walked. But nobody will succeed with that discipline. 

[Dave Saltzer]

Regarding Grichuk, you realize that after posting a 165/242/325 line in April, he has gone on to post a 311/347/644 in May, and a 324/381/378 line in June. I call that making an adjustment to the league and playing in a cavernous park. He was just named to the league's all-star team. I see plenty of upside in Grichuk.

[YouthofToday]

I disagreed with the Cron pick by Reagins at the time. You just don't draft 1B/DH only guys in the 1st round. They have 0 defensive value.